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Quad PCIe Motherboard

SlipKid writes "PCI Express Graphics cards have allowed for some new and innovative ways to increase rendering horsepower in Desktops and Workstations. Recent introductions of NVIDIA's SLI and ATI's CrossFire technology have enabled dual PCIe Graphics cards in a load-sharing architecture. Motherboard manufacturers are jumping into the fray now and Gigabyte has released a Quad PCI Express graphics enabled motherboard, capable of running four cards at once. The board is not capable of running Quad SLI, mostly due to lack of NVIDIA driver support currently but it does offer support for eight simultaneous display outputs on four Graphics cards."

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  1. Even if you could do Quad SLI... by Zakabog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even if you could do Quad SLI, would it make that much of a difference in performance? At what point would splitting the rendering task be more work than it's worth?

    1. Re:Even if you could do Quad SLI... by Wulfstan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was under the impression that the way these SLI things worked was that each card renders a different scanline; so the graphics performance would continue to increase as you added more cards (up to the total number of visible scanlines, obviously). Each new card just makes proportionally less difference.

      So if 4 cards take 1 ms each to render a scanline, and you have 1000 scanlines (and it was perfectly parallel) it would take 250ms to render the screen. 2 cards of the same performance would take 500ms. So 1 extra video card gave you a 500ms improvement, whereas 3 extra video cards gave you 750ms improvement, etc.

      Note that this is based on scant understanding of how SLI works - this is probably a radical simplification.

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  2. Octohead by realnowhereman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I like the idea of an eight-head computer. I wonder what the price difference would be to equip a computer lab with octoheads instead of singles.

    In fact, if I could get some long enough wires, every television in my house could be just another head of one master computer. Master Control! Huzzah!

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  3. Why? by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I like the idea of an eight-head computer. I wonder what the price difference would be to equip a computer lab with octoheads instead of singles.

    Why would you do this? You risk losing eight desktops instead of just one to a single component failure (eg, a faulty motherboard).

    Standard entry-level desktops and workstations are commodity items now: their prices are so low, and they are so easy to acquire that I doubt that there would be much in the way of cost savings to be had when comparing eight single-CPU PCs to one eight-headed hydra.

    Don't forget, to be able to run standard applications at the same speed as even the cheapest of today's desktops the hydra solution would have to have a serious amount of processing power, memory, etc. Once you factor all those things into the equation then you'll soon realise that, in almost every case, there is little or nothing (financially, technically or even physically) to be gained from going down that road.

    Of course, a home is a little different from a computer lab. For one thing, in a home solution any bottlenecks would be fewer in number and far less severe than they would be in a lab environment, which makes such a solution more viable.

    Even so, I know that I for one would rather prefer a dedicated desktop, a dedicated home theatre PC, etc connected by a LAN/WAN than a single-PC, all-my-eggs-in-one-basket solution.

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    1. Re:Why? by MikShapi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not sure you're right.
      How much power do you need for your 8 PC's at home?
      Let's assume no more than one of them is actually a gaming rig.
      Let's assume 2 more are MPEG-4 decoding boxes.
      Let's assume another two run office apps. All concurrently.

      Prioritize your processes properly and a dual-core dual-processor rig will do this with modern mid-range processors.

      You can even do this with windows using Jetway's Magic-Twin (I do this with 2 seperate consoles and WinXP in my car).

      Further, due to all your harddrives being piled in one place serving everyone, you get both a RAID-5 volume, a secondary backup volume to back up your entire RAID5, and if you really want to you can go RAID6 as well. And you get to pool everyone's unused space together, greatly optimizing disk usage.

      RAM will be in demand, but not really a problem you can't solve with 4 1-Gig DIMMs stuck in, (and a Gigabyte I-RAM with another 4G for swap if you really want to go overboard... though I'd wait for the SATA2 version).

      Another great benefit is QUIET. the machine will be stuck away somewhere and make a lot of noise. Fans, drives, the works. your 8 workstations though will be silent as a grave.

      There's several other quirks you'd have to work out such as external peripherals (USB2 hubs wherever applicable), packet shaping for that 15-year-old daughter who wants to run P2P apps, and you'd have to keep the system clean of adware or else.

      All in all, for the amount of money 8 new entry-level home PC's would cost, I could build a hydra that would knock the socks of your home box both in data reliability, speed, storage space, noiselessness and bragging rights, whereas availability stretches both ways (lose the mobo and you're fucked all the way, but lose a DIMM, lose a CPU and your box is slightly slower till you get it replaced, lose a drive and you don't even feel it). Performance-wise it'd rock too, as most of the users are not using disk I/O most of the time, and a simple software SATA raid5 (or even a H/W one) with new drives would easily go into the 200-400MB/sec ballpark and when only one of the users is doing something that needs disk I/O it'd fly.

      Build it around a 3U or 4U chasis with server H/W and you're set :-)

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  4. Just wait a few more years by Ka+D'Argo · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The sad part is, I'd venture to guess in the next couple years, more games or even applications are going to require dual, triple or even quad video cards to reach a running state.

    Note I didn't say optimal performance or peak effenciey or any other term to make it seem like more cards would just equal "OMFG MORE FPS, YESSZZZ!". No. With games like BF2 that are starting to require specific actual components of stuff coupled with how much things like DirectX are a huge huge factor in games, you are going to need massive amounts of GPU power to get alot of stuff to run.

    I mean (not to plug them or anything) but look at games like Project Offset, which plans for real-time rendering of everything no cutscenes nothing. The processing power of that game is going to be astronomical. I bet it will hit at the least a 2 PCI-E card requirement with at least 1.5 or 2 gigs of ram and 3.0+ GHZ processor, probably 3.4+. And we all remember how systematically intense past games like Farcry were, imagine cranking out a game that's five times as powerful as Farcray or even P:O you're going to require so much raw processing power it's insane.

    Which itself is within the true nature of computing, technology evolves, advances, grows faster or more powerful or more advanced. I still think it's sad though, I mean you look at some of the top of the line cards these days required for games, they are insanely priced (200,300 even 400-500 or more). And yes while you can go with something slightly slower and save alot of money, as I originally said I think it will hit the point where they simply will not run without X amount of cards or equipment. Just like I can't run modern games like BF2 or HL2 on my current setup, same thing in a few years for people wanting that hot new title that needs quad cards. The price will be fucking outrageous too. You thought $400 for an Xbox 2 was bad, wait until you need to drop $300 per graphics card, two three or four times plus all the other components just to play games.

    Nvidia and ATI are wetting themselves awaiting that day. Why sell them one GPU when Game X they want needs quad cards to even execute.

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    1. Re:Just wait a few more years by pekoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nicely put. But also, we're moving toward a world of cheaper laptops, wireless, media centres and consoles that can look almost as pretty as a mainstream PC from the comfort of your sofa. A dedicated PC for gaming will always appeal to a few people but for a lot of people their laptop graphics chip is good enough, or the console is good enough, or the budget games they can buy for their old PC are good enough. Only a few people are motivated enough to buy a new PC for games (err, I am one of those people :) when there are consoles for a fraction of the price that just work (tm). Ask yourself how many people would rather play games on a comfy sofa than a less comfy office chair :)

      Anyway, I thought that quad-sli motherboards were for much more specialised applications than just gaming - like people who actually needed lots of displays at once, whoever they are.

  5. PCIe lane configurations by HalfFlat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There did not appear to be much written in the review on the way the PCIe lanes could be configured. The default apparently has that the four physical 16-lane slots are electrically 1-lane, 16-lane, 16-lane and 1-lane respectively.

    What excites me about such a board is the possibility of having simultaneously a fast SLI rendering set-up, together with fast I/O with 10Gbit ethernet and SAS. Having everything on PCIe rather than a mix of PCIe for graphics and PCI-X for I/O cards would allow more flexibility (at least, once there is a bit more range available in PCIe non-graphics cards!). Yet, if the configuration of channels only allows 1-lane on all but two of the slots, then it's not going to work out.