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Point and Click Cracking

An anonymous reader writes "Washingtonpost.com is running a story about a number of botnets and keylogger operations being controlled by Web-sites with point-and-click type front-end software interfaces. The sites mentioned in the story look like fairly slick PHP pages designed to sort through password data from keylog victims and update infected computers with new code or instructions. From the story: 'The hacking software also features automated tools that allow the fraudsters to make minute adjustments or sweeping changes to their networks of hacked PCs. With the click of a mouse or a drag on a pull-down menu, users can add or delete files on infected computers.'"

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  1. Stupid Innuendo by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's what I hate about news. It's all about alluding to something powerful and blinding the users with innuendo.

    Stop mincing your words and just say it. Stop telling people about "some website" where "evil hackers" can "point and click" to crack your passwords. Just fucking say Rainbow Crack.

    It really fucking gets my goat when someone claims to have secret knowledge. What harm could have come from just saying Metasploit or Rainbow Crack? The evil doers already know. Give JoeUser actual knowledge and let him decide for himself.

    Stop pretending that you know something and the public can't be trusted with it.

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  2. The *real* killer distributed application? by MoralHazard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure someone has made this point already, but technological advances have a way of finding their maximum profitable use, regardless of how the original inventors intended their innovations to be used. I think these botnets are a similar phenomenon.

    Case in point: Thomas Edison originally conceived of the phonograph as a tool for dictation, teaching children from recorded lessons, and a few other specific apps. You know what he never, ever thought of? Recorded music. And yet, that is the killer app that made his invention a common household object and birthed one of the most successful commercial fields of the 20th century--the whole music industry as we know it wouldn't exist without the phonograph.

    We saw the same thing with the Internet, when a bunch or DARPA eggheads (no offense, I love you guys) built an academic network that turned into what may prove to be the newest and most effective mass media tool in the history of the human race. I seriously doubt that anyone involved in the original research, or even anyone engineering TCP/IP networks in the 70s and 80s, imagined what would happen after 1990.

    In the same fashion, botnets manage to apply the same basic technologies pioneered by Seti@home, distributed folding, and all of the other "beneficial" distributed computing projects that have wrung work out of the combination of 1) the popularity of the Internet, and 2) the unharnessed cycles, disk, and network I/O bandwidth of all those overpowered word processors around the world. And it's arguable that the economic productivity (at least to a few criminal types) of the botnets is overwhelmingly more than the cash made by all the originators of the concepts (yeah, I know, they're nonprofits, sheesh).

    It's kind of a shame that the killer app of distributed ad-hoc networks is so generally harmful, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Get a firewall, install you patches, and hope to God that nobody targets you with a DoS attack.

  3. Re:Most of the problem is the users by _xeno_ · · Score: 3, Insightful
    At this point, browsers warn people, operating systems warn people, firewalls warn people and virus scanners worm people, and they still just have to run that trojan software for whatever pointless whizz-bang effect it adds to their mouse cursor or emails.

    Was "virus scanners worm people" a reference to the recent McAfee problem or just a typo? :)

    Er, anyway, my actual point was that people are now so used to be warned about installing just about everything that they just click "yes" without thinking. When you go to Windows Update or Microsoft Update for the first time, Microsoft has a nice little picture explaining how to say "yes" to the warning dialogs that come up when it tries to install the update ActiveX control.

    People are just so used to be annoyed by their computer that they mindlessly click through all the warnings anyway. The warnings don't really help, people don't bother understanding what they mean, and websites frequently include instructions on how to bypass them without explaining what the warning means. (I'll fix that someday. No, really...)

    The only real solution is user education. Failing that, the clue-stick (also known as a "clue-by-four") is a fun, but ultimately useless, alternative.

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  4. System Admins by Herkum01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't get it. How can these Hackers get this tools that do all these great things, and as a system admin I cannot get a application bundle and installed without having to try and move the Rock of Gibraltar.

    Considering as a system Admin, I would have more time and a higher budget, you would think some corporation would make some better tools to handle the more common tasks like managing and updating applications on workstations. Instead I get to read how a hacker can control thousands of machines through a configuration more complicated than Enron's accounting procedures all with a click of the button.

    Life just ain't fair.

    1. Re:System Admins by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't get it. How can these Hackers get this tools that do all these great things, and as a system admin I cannot get a application bundle and installed without having to try and move the Rock of Gibraltar.

      Well, I imagine the hackers don't give a flying fuck if it fails on 10% of the machines or how much it breaks, since it's all about numbers and it hardly matters which ones that works. If on the other hands it is the fscking machine you're trying to upgrade and instead it hoses the box, I think you might be slightly more annoyed.

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  5. Real problem is philosophical by CarpetShark · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, the real problem is systems like Windows, which promote the idea that end-users can administrate computers. It simply doesn't work, any more than it works for every driver to be their own car mechanic.

  6. human psychology: power is a drug by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if someone told me that there was a secret receiver on the back of your head that you had no knowledge of, and i had no idea who you were, and you had no idea who i was, and i could activate it just by pushing a button, and it would cause you to twitch and spasm and yell out words tourette's style, and i know it's not good for you, what would i do?

    a part of me wants to push the button, just to laugh at your suffering

    over time, i could probably could come to enjoy it, sadistic pleasure from your pain

    even it required a lot more effort on my part to initiate the reaction

    and if it came to define my identity, this dependence on this drug (as this behavior obviously has for some) i might even fetishistically involve myself in the tools i needed initiate your suffering. i might have the magic button encrusted with diamonds. if it really represented the source of so much of my pleasure

    and before you sneer at me, recognize that this aspect of human behavior and this potential for asocial manipulation exists in all of us

    just look at your average kindergarten class if you think this kind of cruelty and enjoyment of others suffering, impersonal or not, is not something unfortunately intrinsic to human nature

    its a dark side, and its defeat comes in recognizing it, not ignoring it

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  7. Off topic:..*real* killer distributed application? by sgtrock · · Score: 3, Insightful
    We saw the same thing with the Internet, when a bunch or DARPA eggheads (no offense, I love you guys) built an academic network that turned into what may prove to be the newest and most effective mass media tool in the history of the human race. I seriously doubt that anyone involved in the original research, or even anyone engineering TCP/IP networks in the 70s and 80s, imagined what would happen after 1990.


    I've got to question that assumption at least a little bit. Many (most?) of the scientists working on computer science related projects have always been fans of science fiction. Are you trying to tell me that they wouldn't have been aware of stories by Asimov, Heinlein, Clarke, Sturgeon, and others who all envisioned ubiquitous communications networks? Many of those authors wrote stories where ubiquitous computer systems of varying degrees of complexity were a factor. And some of those stories included all kinds of fascinating elements revolving around hacking past security measures. Certainly Gibson developed the themes far more completely later, but the elements were already there in the '50s at the latest.

    I will concede that the original design(s) were never intended to grow into the global network that we have today. They were merely prototypes. The second one based upon IPv4 was so outstandingly successful that it took off before anyone really understood what was going on.

    Suggesting that the original developers never thought about security issues also does them a disservice. They were researching communications for the DoD, for Pete's sake! The original design goal was to come up with a communications systems that would be capable of surviving a nuclear war. While that particular scenario has never been tested (thank Ghu!), faulting them for not thinking through every implication of every design choice doesn't do them justice. They still designed and built a system that just runs (partial network meltdowns are always due to economic reasons, not design). This was a truly remarkable achievement. It's especially true since we see systems in place that are essentially immune to the bulk of the common attack vectors in use today. It's not the original designers' fault that so many implementations are so badly broken. It's especially not the designers' fault that the single most dominant OS in use today is also the most porous.