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Professor Bans Laptops from the Classroom

An anonymous reader writes "USAToday is reporting that students are up in arms over a University of Memphis Professor who has decided to ban laptops from her classroom. Earlier this month Professor Entman sent an email warning to her students to bring paper and pens to take notes and leave the laptops at home. From the article: '"My main concern was they were focusing on trying to transcribe every word that was I saying, rather than thinking and analyzing," Entman said Monday. "The computers interfere with making eye contact. You've got this picket fence between you and the students."'"

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  1. I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by eno2001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd call her a free thinker. We need more of them in the world.

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    1. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd call her a free thinker.

      Most free thinkers make bad sheep/employees/citizens/etc. That is why it is shunned so much in the US educational system and workforce.

      I work with computers for a living, but honestly, my personal problems or interests don't need the scale of computers I work with.

      To me, staring at a screen, typing every word that a prof says into a Word document is a stupid waste of technology. Isn't that what sound and video recorders are for? Although its been a while since I've been in a college classroom, when I was there, most of my professors taught from PowerPoint presentations and I scribbled the extra information on the slide printouts that were given before the class or at the beginning of the semester/section or whatever.

      Personally, I learned more by asking questions of a professor and interacting with them inside and outside of the classroom. But then again, I was/am a free thinker.

    2. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by xWeston · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An Electrical Engineering professor I had at UCSD didn't allow laptops either. I thought it was a good idea.

      In math/engineering classes (or most of them) it is hard to take notes without a pen and paper(tablet) anyway.

    3. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're kidding... right? You are paying for the privilege of learning from an expert in a subject. If something is interfering with her teaching, she has every right to remove it from her classroom. It's nice that you're a Graduate Student and all, but you've obviously not learned proper respect for your professors yet. Grow up!

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    4. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Baseball_Fan · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I'm a Graduate Student and I take my Powerbook to all classes. I pay for University and I'll be damned if a Professor will tell me how I'm going to learn and if I can/can't take my laptop to the class I am paying for.

      If you were in the same class as me, I would prevent you from using your laptop. I can't think with clicking noises. I paid for that class too, and I have a right to learn just as much as you do.

      This is like letting cigarettes in public places. It is not the smokers right to light up, it is the public right to breath clean air.

      Your clicking is noise pollution. It is no different than starting a conversation with the person sitting next to you, and disrupting the class. The professor has every right to maximize the learning for all students, not to protect the rights of one to use his laptop.

      You have every right to take your hand written notes and type them in your laptop after class. You don't have the right to do it during class when you can disturb others.

    5. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      AMEN! I've had student try to pull the "I pay your salary, so you work for me" line of bullshit once. Exactly once, because that student was removed from my classroom and had to retake the class with someone else the next term. I don't care if you're at Harvard paying 40 grand a year to go to school, the classroom belongs to the professor. You don't like that professor's rules, take your money and go elsewhere - the school doesn't NEED your self centered, obnoxious ass around anyway.

    6. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Moby+Cock · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Part of the job of a teacher is to teach how to learn.

      No way. Not at the university level. It is up to the student to experiment and find out how they best learn. It is incumbent on the prof to support various learning styles.

    7. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're comparing watermelons to peanuts. The boombox disturbs OTHER people; the laptop doesn't. If a college student wants to listen to heavy metal on a private mp3 player with headphones the whole time, let them.

      The job of a post-secondary teacher is to present information in the best way they can; receiving it is the choice of the student.

    8. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by venicebeach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the laptop does disturb other people, both directly and indirectly. It certainly disturbs the professor. It can change the whole dynamic of the class, and thereby alter the learning process for everyone.

    9. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I pay for University and I'll be damned if a Professor will tell me how I'm going to learn and if I can/can't take my laptop to the class I am paying for.

      Looks like you're "damned" then. Good luck presenting the "but I'm paying for it!" argument to the deans. Have fun dropping out of school to pursue your ideals.

    10. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by MustardMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One student will not make or break a university - people don't go to a good school based on how well they like the class... they go based on the quality of education and the jobs they can get afterwards. Every whiney self absorbed jackass who leaves a classroom makes room for one more person who's actually going to appreciate the opportunity and make the best of it. Unless the school is accepting every single person who applies, I doubt they have much to worry about.

    11. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Phurd+Phlegm · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Your clicking is noise pollution. It is no different than starting a conversation with the person sitting next to you, and disrupting the class. The professor has every right to maximize the learning for all students, not to protect the rights of one to use his laptop. You have every right to take your hand written notes and type them in your laptop after class. You don't have the right to do it during class when you can disturb others.
      What's to prevent someone from saying that the scratching of the pen or pencil on the paper is a distraction to them? It seems to me that I could come up with an objection to any technology you chose to use to take notes.

      And then there's the issue of loud breathing. I don't think people that breath loudly should be allowed to pollute my learning environment.

      The professor is a prima donna and should learn to live in the real world. I'd like to see her tell the judge that the court reporter has to memorize everything or she'll stop arguing her case. The earlier poster has it right--the student is paying for the teaching, not vice versa. However, I'd expect a law student to come up with something more innovative than a petition. Something like using a laptop as a reasonable accomodation under the ADA . . . .

    12. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by medeii · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are paying for the privilege of learning from an expert in a subject.

      Precisely. But I learn my way, not my professor's way. There's an awful lot of teachers who know quite a bit about their subject matter and absolutely nothing about how to teach a group of students, or absolutely nothing about how people learn in general. It's my personal experience that many of those same teachers have (1) no interest in technology as a learning assistance tool, (2) engage in willful ignorance when such benefits are presented to them, and (3) attempt to control their classroom with an iron fist. I may be paying for the privilege of learning from an expert, but that does not give them carte blanche to give me orders. There is a wide gulf between maintaining order in a learning environment and attempting to discipline students because of perceived inattention; one is required, the other a pathetic display of inflated self-worth.

      If something is interfering with her teaching, she has every right to remove it from her classroom.

      There's a wide gulf between someone playing a game with the sound up in class, obviously distracting students, and students that are taking notes on a laptop (or, god forbid, amusing themselves during a boring stretch.) If a teacher is so self-absorbed as to feel slighted when not receiving the complete and full attention of every person in the vicinity, it's time for them to find another profession. Personally, I think a two-week stint as a corporate trainer to a bunch of managers would do many professors a world of good.

      It's nice that you're a Graduate Student and all, but you've obviously not learned proper respect for your professors yet. Grow up!

      After so many years of school -- and that many awful, expanded-ego professors -- respect is something I don't automatically give just because someone's standing behind a lectern. Respect is something I give to people, not positions.

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    13. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by joeljkp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, really.

      How is this news? None of my professors (engineering) like students using laptops in class, unless we're doing some sort of computer assignment. Several of them make us put them away (or at least close the lid) when they start lecturing.

      I find it distracting when I have my computer on, but it's also distracting to the professor. Try talking to a room full of people busily browsing the web sometime.

      Of course, in engineering, you'd be crazy to try to take notes on your laptop. Engineering paper and pencil is the way to go.

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    14. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful
      No, it is incumbent on YOU to figure out how to process the information handed out by the professor, however he damn well pleases to impart that information. This is not a third grade classroom where Johnny is a "visual learner" and Sarah is "learns through story telling." In the real world people will not magically adjust to your "personal learning style." They are going to feed you information and you are going to have to deal with it.

      A University is a place where you turn into an actual adult, not just a physically mature human being. Grow up and learn to handle reality.

    15. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What are you going to do if ALL of your students take that stance?

      Leave the university, and if it continues happening at other schools, leave education in general. The second I lose control of my classroom, I'll go into industry and triple my salary.

      I teach because I love sharing knowledge and educating people. I know how to teach. Most of my students barely know how to learn. The second they are able to dictate policy in my class is the second I stop running the class.

      Most skilled educators would do the same - if students tried to "unionize" and run their universities, our education system would be even shittier than it is now. Education is not a business, and students are not customers - it's a fundamental pillar of our society, where those who have knowledge pass it on to those who do not. Try to take away the money, and we'll end up going back to the days of unpaid apprenticeships, where the student practically begs to be taught, and lives like a slave for years while learning.

    16. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, I guess by that rationale, since the students pay the professor's salary, the professor should be forced to give them A's? College used to be about learning, even when I went to school. Apparently it is now only about financial transactions. And while imbeciles like you whine about "but I pay the professor!" the rest of the world will be kicking our butts because they actually bother to get a well-rounded education (well, except in India) instead of learning things that will be here today and gone tommorrow.

    17. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The room is only big enough for one leader - maybe it should be the one who's teaching? Just a thought.

      My ego? Get a grip - most professors' salaries are pathetic compared to what they could make in industry. You don't go into academia because of ego, you either do it because you love research for the sake of knowledge, or you love teaching. I happen to love both.

      However, I cannot do my job when some obnoxious nineteen year old is trying to run my class. If he knew what the hell he was doing, he wouldn't need to be in my class in the first place.

    18. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Fratz · · Score: 5, Insightful
      One of the best teachers I ever had (back in 1990) banned note taking entirely for his Trigonometry and Calculus classes. His view was that if you were taking notes, you would be focusing on writing down what you saw, rather than thinking about it. I can respect that and get behind it, since I've been there and know it works.

      However, the professor in question wants people to switch from laptops to paper, basically making them less efficient at note-taking, giving them even less time to pay attention to what she's saying. I don't think she understands that side-effect.

      In any case, if she's worried that note-taking is a distraction, why doesn't she just prepare all her material ahead of time, provide it to the students, and then go over it in class in detail? That eliminates 99% of note-taking, causes them to pay attention to her, and makes sure each student gets the same printed information. It seems as if she is putting artificial restrictions on her students in an attempt to achieve a goal without doing anything different herself.

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    19. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Jerf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To me, staring at a screen, typing every word that a prof says into a Word document is a stupid waste of technology.

      It's a way to convince yourself that you're doing work, without actually doing work. Then, when you fail the course, you can whine about how much work you did, and how hard the course must be, and how evil the prof is, and how it's everybody but your fault. Not that that's the reason, of course, but it's one of the effects.

      A lot of people confuse "work" with "progress". Not all work is equally valuable. Some, like what you mention, is downright worthless.

      (You also get a lot of people mixing up the two concepts when they talk about the "fairness" of MMORPGs. "Fair" becomes defined as everybody doing the same amount of work, not being able to make the same amount of progress. This is one concise way of expressing the fundamental flaw in nearly all current MMORPGs that makes me completely uninterested in them, because this is the root cause of the "grind". And I don't care how MM a game is, I've got way better things to do with my time than pay somebody for the ability to grind.)

    20. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by gentlemen_loser · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have an older Dell XPS laptop for work. It took me forever to get "used" to what sounds like a constant lightsaber battle going on inside it.

      I know for fact that it distracts me and people around me in a professional setting. I'm sure that it would also distract people in the class room.

      So now we have the rule that all laptops, except mine will be allowed in the classroom. Or is that all laptops except the noisy ones? What is noisy? Does the screen brightness bother anyone? We'll need a rule to handle that too.

      I'm of the opinion that its just easier to say no laptops.

    21. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The room is only big enough for one leader - maybe it should be the one who's teaching? Just a thought."

      I wasn't aware there was supposed to be a "leader" in every classroom, at least outside of elementary school.

      "You don't go into academia because of ego, you either do it because you love research for the sake of knowledge, or you love teaching."

      Not about the ego? All I've seen so far is your trumpeting of your accomplishment of kicking out a student you disagreed with, but I haven't seen you mention exactly what the disagreement was about. That strikes me as being egocentric.

      "However, I cannot do my job when some obnoxious nineteen year old is trying to run my class. If he knew what the hell he was doing, he wouldn't need to be in my class in the first place."

      Again, you've celebrated your exercise of power, and now you're besmearing the student you ejected, but it seems why you ejected them isn't as important to you as "I have t3h p0w4r!1"

    22. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by xiando · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However, the professor in question wants people to switch from laptops to paper, basically making them less efficient at note-taking, giving them even less time to pay attention to what she's saying. I don't think she understands that side-effect.

      Let me put it to you like this: You can think about what is being said and store it in your brain connected to information that allows your brain to use the information - which requires you to understand the information in the first place - OR you can write down exactly what his being said on a computer, without listening actively to it so you understand it - and then go on without having learned anything and without having gained any knowledge - safely knowing that all that really happened in the classrom was data litterally being copied from the teacher to your laptop - without being copied to your brain. That's my take on this one, anyways..

    23. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think her concern is a little more nuanced.

      Yes a laptop makes you more efficient at entering and storing vast amounts of information.

      This is normally a benefit.

      Her concern, as I read it, is actually not new or common to laptops.

      When taking notes, it has LONG been that some students will try to just write everything down word for word. This is VERY HARD to do on paper unless you are a very fast writter.

      So most students are forced by inefficiency to become more internally efficient. They learn to listen and think and then take notes based on their own thoughts.

      Thus, the difference in efficiency of information transfer between voice and blackboard and paper forced students to think more and learn how to learn in that manner.

      Notebooks have, according to her assertion, tipped the scale and allowed more students to be really bad note takers. And by BAD I mean ones who note too much without thinking. Now you really can just focus on entering all the info, without thinking about what you are doing, because it takes all yoru concentration to do it.

      In a way it makes sense. I would love to see some studies done to test her assertions.

      -Steve

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    24. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by MustardMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sounds like you got a nasty comination - a shitty teacher, and an even worse beaurocracy. Been there, done that. Unfortunately, there are a LOT of bad teachers, and a LOT of badly run programs. However, if you take away the things that make teaching practical and possible, like a professor's control over his classroom, you're going to drive away the few remaining decent professors you have left.

      This brings up another point that chafes my ass as a lower-level educator who's had policy forced upon me.

      Mandatory attendance. Unless you're in a lab or roundtable discussion, mandatory attendence is completely idiotic. If someone knows a subject, and just wants the degree, they should have EVERY RIGHT to enroll in the class, and show up for nothing but the exams. If they ace the exams, they've proven they know the material and deserve the degree. Forcing attendance on people is so high school it makes me want to throw up.

      That said, I believe those who have done so have every right to choose to use mandatory attendance. If they run the class, it's their decision. When I am running a lecture, you can be damn sure I won't require students to sign in.

    25. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by rpdillon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have the same problem with this I have with most all blanket rules and/or policies.

      I usually agree with the intent (get students to pay attention in class and focus on learning, not web browsing). But the technique is horrible. This kind of thing comes from the mentality that "yet another law will fix it." In this case, the law only applies in the classroom, but it is still a law.

      Did the professor start a lecture one day in class and say:
      "I've noticed a number of you are using laptops during the class. I like the idea that you are enhancing your learning experience and perhaps taking notes on your laptops, but I would appreciate it if you would keep their use to a minimum during the lecture to avoid distracting other students. If you feel that you must take notes on a laptop for the entire lecture, please make use of the back three rows in the lecture hall to avoid disturbing the other students."

      Often, we can solve problems by simply *communicating* with people, rather than implementing some blanket policy that bans laptops. A simple request from the professor goes quite some way, and she could even suggest that if people feel strongly they come see her during office hours to discuss it.

      The teacher/student relationship is one of give and take, and both should be willing to communicate to work out a arrangement that benefits the other and themselves. The simple act of talking about a topic is underrated, I think, often in favor of laws, rules and policy.

    26. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by XenoRyet · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I'm a Graduate Student and I take my Powerbook to all classes. I pay for University and I'll be damned if a Professor will tell me how I'm going to learn and if I can/can't take my laptop to the class I am paying for.

      You're not paying for an individual class, you're paying for an education as presented by the University you chose. If a professor decided that laptops are detrimental to that education, and the University agrees with him, then a ban is perfectly legitimate.

      If you find that the education your school provides is not compatible with your needs, you are certainly allowed to find another University. Just as the University is allowed, if they find you are not meeting their standards, to kick you out.

      The University isn't simply selling you a product. The are certifying that you meet a certain set of standards. That means that the mere fact that you are paying to attend classes does not allow you to do whatever you like in those classes.

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  2. don't fear by flynt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My main concern was they were focusing on trying to transcribe every word that was I saying, rather than thinking and analyzing

    Oh, I'm sure they were thinking and analyzing, but more likely about how to win the current game of Minesweeper or Solitaire.

  3. Can I say "good" by gowen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've taught a number of classes at university level, and I hate people note taking with laptops, for the following reasons:
    i) Too few of them are good enough typists to focus on whats being said properly.
    ii) It's almost impossible for them to copy down diagrams or any complex equations, or make decent marginal notes.
    iii) It's much noisier than pen and paper, and paper is easier to highlight and annotate.
    iv) They remember the content better if they make pencil notes, and type them up later.

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    1. Re:Can I say "good" by xRelisH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been taking notes with my laptop for over a year now, and it's worked out well for me. All I use are some macros and a laptop mouse to help with doing diagrams. I think laptops have advantages for these reasons:
      1) It's easier to bring along one laptop instead of several binders full of dog-eared papers to take notes.
      2) I use Perforce to keep what's on my laptop in sync with what's on my desktop, so there isn't much of a fear of suddenly losing my notes.
      3) There's no shuffling around binders and pages of notes to find the note you're looking for with a laptop, everything is organized directories and I can search through them.
      4) I can easily refer to supporting material during the lecture. Profs often have the class slides posted online, and sometimes we're stuck with a horrible projector that won't focus, I can simply download the notes and follow along on my own screen without having to sit at the front of the class.

    2. Re:Can I say "good" by gardyloo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good for you some of us have jobs extracurricular activities and personal projects that absorb tons of extra time.

            Great! It's fine that you're putting yourself through school (or whatever you're using the money for). On the other hand, you're putting yourself through school -- I assume it's for actually learning things, right? -- which means that extracurricular activities and "personal projects" can take a back seat to what you should be focusing on. If you want to half-ass it, that's fine. Some people have to really study hard. They give up "extra" stuff to actually learn. You know, like in real life.

  4. Purpose of lecture time by timster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Often students seem to believe that lecture time is when the professor Speaks and the students are supposed to Remember. I'd guess this is due to poor teaching methods in public high schools, where there is a focus on rote.

    Ideally the purpose of class time is for the professor to lead the students to understanding. The book has the facts and figures and whatnot, but for many students just reading the book doesn't make things click. Every group of students will need to be led to understanding a slightly different way, and class time with the professor is a chance for that to happen. It's supposed to be a session of brain activity, not mere transcription.

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    1. Re:Purpose of lecture time by dsci · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree. In fact, I'd go one step further than this prof when I was teaching. Sure, there were things that wanted my students write down: solutions to sample exercises worked in class, etc. But often, I wanted to explain something - to communicate. So, I'd tell my students to put their pens down and look UP.

      And, provide me feedback if they are getting "it" or not. As a teacher, you don't get that 'real time' if the students are blindly trying to transcribe every word or copy every mark on the board.

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  5. I agree by venicebeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I totally agree with this professor. When I teach I often feel like I am in a room full of stenographers. It's a distraction to me, and definitely is not the kind of interaction I want to have with a student. It's also counterproductive in my opinion since the best way to really remember something is to process it at the deepest level you can - think about it, connect it with other thoughts and knowledge, etc. That cannot happen when one is focused on the low level aspects of the information, e.g. translating the sounds into written text. The visual barrier the laptop screen forms is also a problem. Not only does it prevent me from seeing the student's reactions, but it's hard to compete with all that light for a student's visual attention.

    To counteract this I try and provide as much material as I can - lecture slides available on line before class for example, so they don't feel there is a ton of information that will be lost if it isn't written down immediately. This improves classes immensely.

  6. Thinking in lectures by Tx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree with her that students should be spending their time thinking about what she's saying, but writing notes on paper doesn't facilitate that any more than laptops do. My favourite lecturer at university gave us printed notes for every lecture, precisely so we didn't have to write anything down, and could focus on thinking about the subject. I did great in that class, and to this day I don't understand why many lecturers still insist on making people take notes instead of following suit.

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    1. Re:Thinking in lectures by gluteus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The best lectures I've attended also used this method. Before class, you downloaded and printed out the powerpoint slides and brought them to class. As the lecture progressed, you sat and listened and scribbled on the printouts of the slides to add extra explanations, comments, etc.

      The important thing to note was that the lecturers were very well organized, and put a lot of thought and effort to put the slides and the lecture together. If they hadn't done it right, the result would have been awful.

  7. Laptops Don't Always Improve Learning by ironwill96 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Contrary to what the media and Bill Gates or Steve Jobs would like you to believe, sometimes technology in the classroom can be a distraction.

    I graduated just a year ago from a decent size University (10,000 students) and since I was getting a Computer Science degree I saw laptops in use in a lot of my classes. I'd say that 50% of the time people were playing video games of some sort or another, playing FreeCell or Solitaire, watching DVDs and generally using the laptop to do anything *but* take notes. This in turn distracted everyone else around them as they focused on whatever the person on the laptop was screwing around doing instead of on class.

    I'll be honest, some of these classes were boring and I was occasionally envious of the people with laptops, but when I went to do homework or study for a test, I actually had some notes since with just pen and paper there is not a lot you can do to amuse yourself unless you have a really active imagination or like doing the box game or playing Tic-Tac-Toe for hours on end.

    Now, some will say "but not everyone will use the laptop to screw around", and that's not my point. The point is, SOMEONE will, and that will distract everyone else. I've seen it happen and anyone claiming that it doesn't happen is lying.

    So basically, I applaud her move and think that not every class should allow laptops in the classroom as sometimes technology is more of a hindrance than a help.

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    1. Re:Laptops Don't Always Improve Learning by robertjw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I feel that those students who are going to use classtime for recreational persuits should just not bother to show up. Those of us who have trouble concentrating really have a hard time focussing when someone else is doing something more interesting than Biology/Freceh lit./composition/...

      Absolutely. This is completely my point. Unfortunately, many college professors have started making attendence a requirement for a passing grade. This has the same effect it has at the highschool level. Students that aren't interested in learning, or can 'breeze through' as you put it end up showing up and being a distraction to the class. University is not public school with a 'no child left behind' attitude. Personally, if I was in a class that I was paying for and wanted to pass and someone was doing distracting things I would take steps to eliminate the distraction. College students are free to change seating, ask the person creating the distraction to stop or even drop the class if needed.

  8. Tablets by Therlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My previous employer was a University that was about to go "mobile" by requiring every student to have a laptop.

    After a few tests and faculty round-tables, it was decided that the models that will be provided at steep discounts to students will be tablets just because of the "picket fence" effect that is mentioned in the article.

    Furthermore, tablets encourage the use of a stylus which means that (many?) students will still be taking notes by writing and analysing instead of typing.

  9. Re:This is a teacher? by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My past experience is that "trying to transcribe every word rather than thinking and analyzing" is exactly what most teachers want.

    That's because most teachers are bad teachers.

    For that matter, most students in the US system are bad students. The way many lectures SHOULD work (especially in the sciences) is, you read the relevant section of the text before class, and then keep the text open while the teacher lectures and fills in the gaps in your understanding. In my experience TAing in the US, very few students have the discipline to actually prepare for lecture

  10. Make Lecture Notes available by kfstark · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The best thing I ever did in College was buy subscriptions to the lecture notes for my classes that offered them. At UC San Diego, a student who had taken the class before (and got an A) would attend class and take notes. These notes were cleaned up and made available each week. I could take cursory notes of what I thought was important and fill in the rest with the lecture notes from someone who already understood the material.

    Unfortunately, some professors did not want the service in their classroom since they thought students would skip class. These were usually the same professors who got upset that the entire class was busy scribbling away writing verbatim notes. I found that the lecture notes were not a replacement for going to class. Often the class time had more participation and discussion that was as important as the notes.

    --Keith

  11. Re:The Professor is arguably correct in the theory by Coryoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The best way to learn is to do, the best notes are the ones NOT made in a rush in real-time, the best classes are the ones where students learn more than what is presented

    For courses I had difficulty with, or where a large volume of mateial was being covered, I found the most effective way to understanding was to take handwritten notes during the class and then, in the evenings, transcribe them onto computer (in my case, as I was doing math courses, into LaTeX). The act of going through and transcribing, while it sounds like needless work, was actually when I learned the most. To translate scrawled notes into detailed LaTeX notes required thinking about and understanding each concept so I could translate it correctly.

    The benefit of course was having a nice set of notes fully written up at the end of the course. It's a great way to learn if you're so inclined.

    Jedidiah.

  12. For those of you who haven't been to law school... by sweetnjguy29 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...which I assume is the vast majority of readers on slashdot...

    First year law classes aren't computer science lectures where everyone sits passively and takes notes. Law Professors practice the socratic method. Which means that the professor calls on a student and asks that student a question. If the student answers correctly, then the professor asks another question. Then the professor asks a question which he knows the student can't answer. Then the professor yells at the student and asks why he is a moron. Then the professor takes the case book and beats the crap out of the student with it. A notebook computer doesn't fit into this routine.

    I'm exaggerating slightly, but thats what a lot of first year law students go through.

    I think that she teaches first year civil procedure. This is a very hard class that covers the mechanics of filing a law suit. It is very tricky and nuanced and even experienced lawyers don't understand it fully. Since she co-wrote a treatise about Tennessee Civil Procedure it is not surprising that according to Ratemyprofessors.com, Prof. Entman "expects you to be able to recall every detail from every footnote from every case you ever read." Yikes!

    Interestingly, Prof. Entman was a social studies teacher in the late 60s and early 70s for 7 years before going into the law. I imagine that notebook computers don't fit into her conception of a learning environment.

  13. Laptops are a huge distraction by x_man · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I normally wouldn't care what a student uses to take notes, but laptops are a huge distraction for the rest of the class. The constant clicking, the screen glow, the guy surfing Slashdot in front of you on the school's wireless network. If you really want annoying, these same students will stand up and snap images of the whiteboard with their cellphones because they can't figure out how to draw the diagrams on their laptop.

    So here I sit, quietly, with my 99 cent Meade folder, 30 cent pencil, and a dollar's worth of notebook paper, taking far more detailed and accurate notes than anyone with a $2000 laptop. What these law students need to learn is that sometimes the most technologically advanced solution is not always the best solution. And cheers to the professor for realizing this.

    X

  14. What about the books in digital format? by SigNick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My reason for always carrying my laptop with me is that I have ALL the books and lecture notes in PDF/PPT.
    Just by downloading the books from eMule I've saved more than $500 just in this semester, one third of the cost of my laptop. As a bonus I can chat with cute chicks from other faculties during lunch, on the bus during my 20min commute or even at boring classes ^____^

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  15. Re:The Professor is arguably correct in the theory by Asic+Eng · · Score: 5, Insightful
    When I was in university we had a class on field theory. The script was available as a bound book, which everybody bought (though technically it wasn't required). Nevertheless there was a student in class taking notes . The lecturer asked her "Why are you taking notes? You have the book, right?". (It was in fact quite visible on her desk.) She explained that taking notes allowed her to better focus on the lecture. I never took notes during that class, preferring to listen. At the end of the term I got a good grade - so did she.

    Thing is - people are learning in different ways, what works well for her may not work so well for me and vice versa.

  16. Re:Not really... by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a professor is genuinely doing things wrong, then the type of drive you spoke about will indeed be sucessful. Indeed, when I was an undergrad I petitioned to get sweeping policy changes implemented - but the fundamental point here was, the majority of good professors AGREED with me, that the changes were needed.

    The school backed me up with this student 100%. You want to know why? Because the kid was a spoiled jackass who deserved to fail a class and learn a lesson about respect. That's not me being pompous, it's me putting a stupid kid in his place.

    You know NOTHING about what the student's complaint was. You know nothing about the way I was treated. Yet you assume I was a pompous and self absorbed asshole because I removed a student who not only questioned my authority, but disrupted my classroom and negatively affected the learning experiences of the other twenty people in the room. Be careful when you make assumptions about things you don't know, you might find you come across as the self centered, pompous one.

  17. Re:Not really... by rossifer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a student I've run into professors like you. Unfortunately not all of us roll over quite so easily. On the contrary, some of us are quite vocal and will work to make things change our way. I led a petition drive that successfully reverted a policy change implemented mid-semester; similar to this case. I was also an RA at the time and went to bat for several students who were getting pushed over by manipulative professors.

    Any sane ombudsman will see right through the "I'm paying your salary" bullshit and side with the professor who threw out a disruptive student. On the other hand, professors who grade people who disagree with them lower (especially in contentious topics) should be roundly smacked around by that same ombudsman. Each case will be different, and just because you've met some awful professors in your day doesn't mean that the gp is one of them.

    The teacher is responsible for maintaining a learning environment for everyone in the class. One spoiled child can and should be thrown out of a class in order to restore a decent learning environment for the rest of the class. Even more on-topic, ubiquitous wireless internet means that most students with laptops are not paying attention, but are browsing the web, taking care of personal business, etc. If you aren't participating in the class, take yourself elsewhere. Removing the laptops from the classroom is just about the only way to limit that sort of highly disruptive behavior and actually give other students what they're paying for.

    Regards,
    Ross

  18. Re:Not really... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know NOTHING about what the student's complaint was. You know nothing about the way I was treated. Yet you assume I was a pompous and self absorbed asshole because I removed a student who not only questioned my authority, but disrupted my classroom and negatively affected the learning experiences of the other twenty people in the room.

    I can't speak for anyone else, but I believe you're a pompous ass because of the way you referred to the event in question - which as you say we know nothing about. Thus, I can only infer your attitude from the "tone" of your discourse.

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