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Region-free PS3

An anonymous reader writes "IGN writes that "In a QA session following the platform keynote address at GDC 2006 this morning, Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios President Phil Harrison confirmed what was heavily demanded for import gamers all over the world and yet previously thought unthinkable for a major corporation: the PS3 will be region-free for gaming." There's no chance that the MPAA members would allow the same for movies but at least it's a step in the right direction."

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  1. Not THAT surprising... by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the biggest reasons mod chips tend to be "iffy" is that, while playing illegally-copied games is illegal, playing out-of-region games isn't. This move may buy them more than it costs, since that's one less reason to give for the legitimacy of mod chips. Now if they could just do something about that pesky "backup" excuse.

    1. Re:Not THAT surprising... by DerGeist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Backups are available at affordable prices.

    2. Re:Not THAT surprising... by Lussarn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They can ship me 100 backups for all I care. If I buy something it's mine and I will still do whatever I want with it. Like installing modchips and making backups.

      The day Sony, Microsoft, Apple, Ford and everybody else tells me I just rent the games, software and music, just rent the playsations computers, ipods and cars. Thats the day they can make restrictions.

      But as long as they sell me stuff I'm taking for granted it's mine and I will do whatever I please with it (With possibly the exception of spreading copies of copyrighted material). If what I do is not legal they can call me a criminal. I don't care. I don't see myself as a criminal.

    3. Re:Not THAT surprising... by rkcallaghan · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Its simple, offer free replacment for scratched disc.

      This solution does not account for what happens if $GameProducer:
      • Goes belly up.
      • Provides 'mail in rebate' level of support.
      • Realizes in the year 2075 that producing the discs on demand is no longer a good idea.

      These are the reasons "Fair Use" allows for us to make our own backups. We as the owner of the product need to be the ones in charge of taking care of our stuff, not some distant third party who sees it as an expense they wish they didn't have.

      ~Rebecca
  2. About fucking time. by KDR_11k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Region locks should never have existed in first place, they are only there so different publishers can publish the same game in different regions and to enable price fixing.

    No matter why this was done, whether to make sure mod chips don't have any legal functions or to really do something useful, it had to be done. Region locks are attempts to suppress international trade and competition. They have been ruled illegal in some countries and are not protected by any DMCA-like laws. There should have been some fines over region locks but well, knowing the corrupt governments we have it'd end up being 5.95$ total.

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  3. A lot less than meets the eye by clevershark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This announcement seems all flash and no substance -- Europe will STILL have to have a separate set of games because they use PAL instead of NTSC anyway. What this *might* mean is that more Japanese-market games will be playable by NA gamers. Now don't get me wrong, that's a good thing, but it's hard not to think that the real reason for this is Sony wanting to save money where it can by not creating unnecessary "editions" of the same games.

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    1. Re:A lot less than meets the eye by GauteL · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Europe will STILL have to have a separate set of games because they use PAL instead of NTSC anyway"

      Most fairly new European televisions can display both NTSC and PAL picture.

    2. Re:A lot less than meets the eye by eht · · Score: 4, Informative

      HDTV defeinately does not all use the same standard, there's at least 4 different SMPTE standards I know of 260M, 295M, 274M, and 296M, and most of them have multiple standards within them.

      260M is 1920x1035 at either 30Hz or 29.97Hz, 295M is 1920x1080 at 25Hz, but at more lines per frame the spec in 274M, 274M has a ton of standards, all 1920x1080, but at many varying frame rates, including 30, 29.97, and 25, at both progressive(1 field per frame) and interlaced(2 fields per frame), and also a 24Hz frame rate, and 23.976Hz, and then 296M comes in with 1280x720 at 30Hz and 29.97Hz progressive.

      So a movie running at 1920x1080@25Hz interlaced will run 20% faster at 1920x1080@30Hz.

      Isn't that great?

      Sorry, I work with television signals everyday and the massive amount of standards causes me no end of annoyance.

  4. Region-free, yes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Root-kit free, no.

    1. Re:Region-free, yes.... by cortana · · Score: 3, Funny

      We will not let you go!

  5. Re:so what? by KDR_11k · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even moreso, who cares about stability if Linux allows the moon people to make your computer explode?

    (PS3 games will not be locked to anyone, stop repeating that rumour, it has been denied already)

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  6. More info... by astonish · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, what he really said is that the machine itself will not have any region restrictions, but it would be up to publishers whether they want to restrict their games to certain TV formats etc. Which they probably will for many major releases.

    Still if a publisher, especially from Japan, knows they aren't going to publish a game in the US/Euro they can leave it region free and let importers have more fun. Still a good thing. Lets hope they get the system off the ground, so far my impression is one of a very expensive hype machine that has to play catch up to Xbox Live. Still, I'm all for having two (three??) great next-gen systems in my living room.

  7. A touch of common sense? by malkavian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Perhaps Sony, touched with the debacles it's been involved in recently (the Rootkit being the most well known), has decided its time to rely on a modicum of common sense. After all, the market has done without regional coding since the dawn of time (well, until a few years ago) and prospered.
    The simplest solution being the best (as is often the case) says remove the complexity that doesn't really gain anything, and see what you have. The copy protection on a console.. I can live with that.. I've never been that interested in backups, as I take great care with the disks.. I have, however, been most peeved when buying region coded items that refuse to play just because I'm in the 'wrong country'.
    Hopefully it's the start of a new trend of business actually listening, rather than dictating. I doubt it, but hey. It's a hope.

  8. Older games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the PS3 will be able to play PS1 and PS2 games... could this mean it'll be region free for those games as well? I finally get to play the Sakura Taisen games released for the PS2 but couldn't because they were dual-layered and wouldn't work with swap discs?

    If older games are region-free, the good word of mouth import gamers will be giving Sony will be strong enough to carry over into other markets I think.

    I might be very happy.

  9. Re:Here's hoping by yuna49 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Unlike videogames, the movie producers need to work with distributors around the world (theater owners, etc.). Region coding makes sense for movies because they have staggered release schedules. A foreign theater chain is not going to be happy if a movie for which theatrical display rights are not yet available in that country is suddenly available on an HD videodisc. Videogames obviously don't have these issues.

  10. Not that big a problem... by meringuoid · · Score: 3, Informative
    This announcement seems all flash and no substance -- Europe will STILL have to have a separate set of games because they use PAL instead of NTSC anyway.

    I gather that a lot of modern TVs will work with either PAL or NTSC inputs, so they won't have any trouble with this; and since the PS3 is being designed with HDTV in mind, PAL vs NTSC is really kind of irrelevant. HDTV is the same everywhere.

    I personally wonder if this is something to do with Australia. They've ruled down there that region coding on DVDs is actually illegal; I hear that all Aussie DVD players are now multiregion. Region-coding the PS3 will get Sony into legal trouble in Australia. Region-coding all non-Australian PS3s will be kind of pointless - people prepared to import foreign games will presumably also be happy to import an Aussie PS3. So they may as well drop the whole thing.

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  11. BlueRay region shared by USA and Japan by LordJezo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't this be more part of the BlueRay news instead of PS3 specific news?

    Japan and USA to share BlueRay region codes.

    Import games and movies here I come!

  12. Re:three words by turnipsatemybaby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is NOT something we should let go. It maybe a dead horse now, but it's a horse that should never have been born in the first place.

    It's this sort of "forget about it, I don't care" mentality that is allowing corporations to steadily erode our rights. It gives the corporations the artistic license to experiment with new and whacky control schemes and see which ones stick and which ones cause a backlash.

    I'm willing to bet that they'll try this exact same stunt again, or at least something similar to it, later on. They'll wait for the political environment to change a little more, maybe do a better job at testing and bug-fixing, and suddenly it'll be on all the disks again and people will think it's "normal". Just as CDs are twice as expensive as audio tapes and people consider that "normal". Or that region restrictions are "normal".

    If people were actually paying attention and fighting back as they did with the rootkit debacle, there wouldn't be the problems there are now with things like DMCA, region-coding, etc.

  13. Re:HDMI by Hieronymus+Howard · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's a few clues for you, since you don't seem to have any:

    Firstly, HDMI is not "a proprietary version of DVI created by Sony". See http://www.hdmi.org/

    Secondly, all "HD Ready" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_ready) HDTVs sold here in Europe have HDMI.

    Thirdly DVI to HDMI adapters are not expensive. You can get one for about $7 on Ebay, including postage.

    Fourthly, HDMI is not a form of DRM. HDCP is DRM, but HDCP can be implemented on DVI as well as HDMI.

  14. The thing that frustrates by blueZ3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is that companies distrbuting games and other content want to have it both ways. On one hand, they say that they have "licensed" you the content, and thus you do not have the right to make copies. Your license allows you to have one instance of the content. On the other hand, they say that they have "sold" you the physical media, and if anything happens to the CD/DVD, it's something you owned that is now distroyed. Your purchase allows you to have one instance of the physical object.

    IMO, it should work one way or the other:

    If they're licensing the content, then if the physical media is destroyed and you can't exercise your license, there should be some way to either get some money back (since you've lost the use of the "perpetual" license you were sold) or to replace the media so you can exercise your right to the license.

    If they are selling a physical object, then you should be able to duplicate its contents freely, in case the object is destroyed.

    The way things are right now, the content distributers have all the rights, and the content purchasers are in a sort of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" bind. Duplicate your content, and you're a piratical anarchist. Don't, and it's quite likely that you'll be out of luck when the physical object is damaged.

    This is currently a problem for me. I bought Civ 4 to play on my Windows game machine. I played it for about three months before the CD got scratched. While the scratches were my fault (I failed to take into account how much dust was accumulating in the PC) now the $30 game that I purchased is unusable. Since I purchased a perpetual license, is it OK for me to download an iso of the game CD and burn it so I can play? Not according to the game publisher.

    I'm not talking about what is currently legal. I'm making a point that the way things stand right now, a lot of people are frustrated with the seeming one-sideness of content distribution as it's implemented right now.

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  15. You obviously don't have children by Comboman · · Score: 5, Insightful
    We no longer live in the age of VCRs eating tapes though, and on the rediculously rare (relative to tape eating) chance that your device does damage your disc, the player manufacturer should be responsible for procuring you a replacement.

    You obviously don't have children. After buffing the scratches out of the Finding Nemo DVD for the fifth time, I was ready to go back to VHS. Then I discovered DVD Shrink. The original stays in the case and when the kids scratch the copy too badly to be played, I throw it away and make a new copy. Consumers need the rights to protect their property.

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  16. need a reason? by tacokill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but I'm not convinced that there is a good reason for the law to allow backups.

    I am. Why? Because
    a) it's technically possible to do
    b) *I* can do it myself
    c) It's not specifically outlawed