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Microsoft's Not So Happy Family

D.A. Zollinger writes "Reports from Redmond are that Microsoft Employees are not happy with the double delay of Windows and Office being pushed back into 2007. EETimes is reporting that some Microsoft employees are calling for the termination of several top managers Including Brian Valentine, Jim Allchin, and Steve Ballmer for the delay debacle. The report references a blog by Who da'Punk, an anonymous Microsoft employee who asks, where's the accountability for failure? So far the blog entry has generated over 350 comments from Microsoft insiders and outsiders."

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  1. Interesting to point out... by Jason+Straight · · Score: 0, Troll

    That he says that sales will come from people buying PC's with the OS pre-installed, not people buying the vista OS in a box off the shelf. Even MS employees know they can't sell their crap, they have to force it down peoples throats or it won't sell.

  2. Re:Just a figure of speech by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 0, Troll

    If a Microsoft 'desktop' had just ONE of the rough unfinished edges that can be found everywhere within 'Linux Desktops' there would be a holy war of screaming against it.

    I'm not flaming 'Unix desktop' projects per-se. I make daily use of this NetBSD machine running FVWM2 that I am typing this on, and find it a perfectly adequate system for my kind of use.

    I'm not going to pretend, however, that any free software desktop is ready for 'the masses' the way Microsofts product is (kinda, anyway). There's no army of testers and usability engineers involved in the free projects. They aren't aimed at joe six-pack, who is an information-appliance user.

    That's just how it is. Let's stop pretending otherwise.

  3. Re:Where Future? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 0, Troll

    The entire computer industry has been stifled for years. We need competition, and we need it badly.

    Yeah. Because Microsoft has no real competition at all in desktop operating systems.

  4. You got it backward, non free is failing. by twitter · · Score: 0, Troll
    He wants to end the bloat at Microsoft and convert it into a lean and mean machine of productivity. [and happy coders at a perfect M$ would out compete free software]

    You have confused cause and effect. People at Microsoft are unhappy because the non free software way is failing. There is no way it can be otherwise. The anger and backstabbing you see is typical of any failing company. Tiny mistakes, which make no difference in the long run, become sources of contention. Productivity will fall off geometrically now, but even a perfect effort would not save them from the overwhelming superiority of free software.

    It has been said hundreds of times and I'll say it again, the non free way of making software is obsolete. The GNU debugger has more than 87 authors. Not even Microsoft can afford to lavish that kind of effort on a single program regardless of it's importance. The "unimportant" programs are the ones that give free software systems a polished finish Microsoft can't touch. Their best five years of effort to graft together terabytes of purchased code are producing the equivalent of one modest productivity package and a window manager on top of a decidedly second rate GUI and a disaster of an OS. The free software approach, in the mean time, has produced many better equivalents on top of a unified system that fits onto a single, live running and self installing CD, which is offered by hundreds of different groups.

    They can't catch up. Missing Christmas sales will hurt them. It won't hurt them near as much as the embarrassment and loss of face. The game is over. Only hardware DRM can save them and that is unlikely without IBM and other cooperation. 2007 will be the year free software takes majority market share and the Microsoft monopoly will be history.

    Good riddance.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:You got it backward, non free is failing. by twitter · · Score: 0, Troll
      So when did Linux surpass Windows?

      In a lot of ways, free software has always been better Windows. My first use of Linux was Red Hat 5.x. Device support and installs were tricky, but having multiple desktops, GUI choices, system stability and compilers at no additional cost was much nicer than the Windows 95/98 available at the time. With the time it took to keep one or two Windows machines working, I could have six Linux machines that worked better and cost less. Free software has steadily improved since and is not only easy to install but vastly superior in all except vendor support. Even that is changing, with both ATI and Nvidia sharing specs and producing binary drivers for Linux.

      Isn't it still hard to use, with much less applications available for it?

      No, free software is not hard to use. At least my four year old girl does not think it's difficult.

      The only applications missing from free software are those related to entertainment where big publishers have legal strangle holds on essential components. You have to use non-US software to watch DVDs, for example.

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      Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    2. Re:You got it backward, non free is failing. by twitter · · Score: 0, Troll
      An AC seems to be losing his temper:

      I didn't know we were categorizing Photoshop, AutoCAD and all the other commercial software products that have no realistic free equivalents (not to mention all those thousands of vertical business apps used in the real world) as "entertainment" - and then blaiming DRM for our woes. But I guess that's a very convenient argument.

      We? How many of you are there today?

      The entertainment companies are new to the world of DRM. Non free software companies like M$ pioneered it and continue to hold false hopes to the gullible.

      As long as you are talking about the "real" world, you should drop the distinction between free and non free except to note that the more free a thing is the better it is. If you don't think there are "realistic" equivalents for AutoCAD and Photoshop for Linux, you don't such things exist anywhere. Autodesk has been relatively static and is being outdone by several non free companies like Ansys and SolidWorks. You should also know that Novel, Red Hat and IBM offer plenty of vertical applications. While it is woeful that free alternatives either don't exist or are not better known, a realistic person is in no way tied to M$ and all of their non free problems. Hell, half of the "vertical applications" you talk about do nothing but navigate the dissaster Microsoft has created with it's crazy licensing, EULAs and registry.

      The lack of free software in those places is again a case of legal nonsense. In the free world, GIMP does what Photoshop does, except where prevented by clueless or greedy device makers. Working with Autodesk formats is another minefield of patents and grief, and such things do a lot to discourage free software development. Think about it for one instant and you will realize that it's true. Free software has made a better compiler than you can find in the commercial world. Free software has also made better and easier to use GUIs than you will find in the commercial world. Can you think of any task between the two which is more difficult? Can you imagine anything but legal nonsense and sabotage holding any project back?

      The non free companies are fighting as hard as they can, but they are losing. The smart ones are becoming free software companies.

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      Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    3. Re:You got it backward, non free is failing. by mad.frog · · Score: 0, Troll

      > In the free world, GIMP does what Photoshop does,
      > except where prevented by clueless or greedy device makers.

      You really don't have the slightest fucking clue what Photoshop does -- or who it's customers are -- do you?

  5. Re:Who's stupid idea was the name .Net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Considering you can't even spell "sentence", I do believe it is just you who can't process the period in ".Net". I have never had a problem. Then again, I probably have a much higher IQ than you, as do most others.

  6. Re:It's unfortunate by weg · · Score: 0, Troll
    Porting mountains of existing code to .NET sounds exactly like one of the few things that could have bogged down so many smart people for so long.


    I don't think they wanted to rewrite the operating system in .NET (even though there's an operating system (alled Singularity) based on some .NET stuff written by Microsoft's researchers). They are now using formal verification (e.g., PreFast) tools to increase the reliability of their Software.. in addition, they annotate the source code such that it becomes formally verifyable. Microsoft is doing great stuff here, using the brilliant results from their research branch for product development. I don't know any other company where this happens to such an extent..
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    Georg