Automating Future Aircraft Carriers

Roland Piquepaille writes "Britain and France will jointly build three new huge aircraft carriers which will be delivered between 2012 and 2014. With their 60,000 tonnes, these 275-meter-long carriers will be the largest warships outside of the U.S. Navy. They're going to cost about $4 billion each, but with their reduced crews due to automation, they'll save lots of money to taxpayers during their 50 years of use. StrategyPage tells us that these ships will need at most a crew of 800 sailors instead of 2,000 for ships of that size today. At a cost of $100K per sailor per year, this represents savings of more than $6 billion. Impressive -- if it works."

Comments

Clippy

[ktakki]

It looks like you're launching an alpha strike.

Would you like help?

• Launch the +5 fighters for air cover and stage the strike fighters on the deck
• Play a game of Minesweeper
• Give up, you cheese-eating surrender monkey
• Don't show me this tip again

k.

Downsides

[Tablizer]

Computer, fire two missles

  hacked by chinese, you 1s 0wn3d

Oh Shit!
       

Re:Downsides

[Sj0]

I can imagine some potty mouthed naval Automation Engineer getting frustrated that the operator interface PCs crashed yet again and demanding someone get him a 24V supply and a laptop so he can rig up a "FUCKING fire button". :P

The supposed savings...

[SmurfButcher Bob]

is because the "missing" half of the crew will actually be outsourced to India.

Uhhh..

[Apiakun]

From the article:

"An aircraft carrier must fight, and find the enemy, and do a lot of other stuff."

Brilliant writing there. Very eloquent. No, really, I mean it, and other stuff.

Prediction: They will build 1, at most

[Nova Express]

"Britain and France will jointly build three new huge aircraft carriers which will be delivered between 2012 and 2014."

No, they won't. Here's what will happen:

• Plans for three joint aircraft carriers are announced with much fanfair.
  
• After much grumbling, both the French and UK parliments, not quite yet absorbed into the antidemocratic structure of the Brussels Bureaucracy, approve construction of three aircraft carriers.
  
• A year or so later, the keel for the first aircraft carrier is laid down.
  
• One year into the project, and the first carrier is already six months behind schedule and 10% over budget.
  
• Two years into the project, and the project is already a year behind schedule. The construction start date for the last carrier are moved out another year.
  
• Three years in, and France, in the middle of lingering recession with negative GDP growth and continuing muslim riots, falls behind in payments. Work tmporarily halted.
  
• Following the replacement of Blair's government with hard left Labourites, military expenditures come under additional budget scrutiny, eventually being raided to prop up the ever-increasing cost of National Health Care. But mutual consent, the third carrier is cancelled altogether.
  
• A shipbuilder's strike delays construction another three months.
  
• Pressed for funds due to increasing UK involvement in the Pakistani Civil War, construction of the first carrier is slowed still further, and the second piushed out another two years.
  
• Flaws in the automation system cause an upward revision the number of staffers required for
  
• The carrier is now three years behind schedule, and costs are already more than 50% over projections.
  
• Suicide attack by the Albion Martyrs of Allah Bridge breaches the forward hull of the unfinished carrier. Compartmentalization system prevents ship from sinking, but fire control system malfunctions, spewing flame retardent foam everywhere but,/i> where the explosion occured. Launch delayed another six months.
  
• French giovernment falls after Islamofascist organization bombs Notre Dame, bringing right wing government of Sabine Herod to power. Military spending temporarily increases.
  
• Mired in its own recession, UK government asks France to contribute more to carrier construction. Second carrier pushed out two more years.
  
• After a mere nine months in power, Herod government resigns after fourth week of nationwide strike results in more than 1000 deaths. Socialist communist government cancels all funding for second carrier.
  
• Excessive government spending by France, Italy, and half the the rest of the EU causes Euro to collapse. Germany refloats the Duetschmark. Work delayed still further by inabaility to figure iut what French half of carrier costs should be paid in.
  
• It's now 2017, and the sole supercarrier is finally launched. A half day into first sea trials, catostrophic software failure leaves the Thatcher-Chirac carrier dead in the water. It has to be towed back to port. Carrier is still unavalable when China launches disasterous attempt to seize Taiwan.
  
• Japan and South Korea announce existance of own nuclear arsanals three days after China's fleet is sent to the bottom of the Staits of Formosa.
  
• Islamic Republic of France declared, falls. French half of crew pulled off for home security duty during attempts to supress the gorwing Islamic rebellion.
  
• Citing rising world tensions, UK military announces joint deal with US to create new class of aircraft carrier....

Re:Prediction: They will build 1, at most

[swpod]

No, it won't get past the drawing board. The Brits won't accept the French plan to put the propellers in the front (their patented "PermaRetreat" technology).

Re:Prediction: They will build 1, at most

[hobotron]

  I'd hate to see you fill out a Final Four bracket.

Re:The US Navy has a better new toy

[sane?]

Reminds me of this joke exchange

This is based on an actual radio conversation between a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier (U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln) and Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995. (The radio conversation was released by the Chief of Naval Operations on 10/10/95 authorized by the Freedom of Information Act.)

Canadians: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid collision.

Americans: Recommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.

Canadians: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

Canadians: No, I say again, you divert YOUR course.

Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH--I SAY AGAIN, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH--OR COUNTER-MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.

Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

Re:Useless

[fatduck]

Unfortunately Russians always turn left after the third Crazy Ivan, which makes them too predictable for real naval warfare.

Re:the Brits don't need help, so why?

[CmdrGravy]

The French and British co-operate on a lot of military ventures and despite what you may hear about famous Anglo/French rivalries actually have a good working relations. In fact I think we'd probably trust the French much further than we'd trust the US or Israel, not least because we can always hop across the channel and kick their little froggy arses if they get too uppity.

Re:the question isn't CAN you do it..

[Moofie]

"America as a rouge superpower."

Yeah, just wait until we put on our lipstick and eyeshadow! THEN you'll see what a properly made-up superpower looks like!

Re:if those things run Vista

[Antique Geekmeister]

If Vista's unavailable, maybe XBox-360 based systems, and use the hull as the heat sink. You'll only be able to use it in the Arctic Circle with all systems active, though.

Re:They miss the point entirely !

[Punkrokkr]

What are you talking about? Everyone knows that it takes five hits to take out the air-craft carrier, whereas a battleship will sink in four!

Re:They miss the point entirely !

[Bloke down the pub]

Like the poster before you was saying, it was felt that aircraft carriers could not withstand the onslaught of a battleship with huge guns.

Rightly so, it would seem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Glorious. I'm not an expert on naval strategy but it appears to me that the trick might be to not allow the battleship to get closer than x, where x is the range of its guns.