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Why Are Tech Books So Expensive?

Hellboy0101 asks: "Once again, I found myself sifting through my local Barnes and Noble for technical books. I don't do this very often, and apparently just enough time passes for me forget how expensive these books are. I can't help but think it's the fleecing of technology workers and enthusiasts, much like OEMs clearly take advantage of gamers with their unreasonably high prices. There certainly are some glaring and welcome exceptions to this rule. But my question is this: Why do they charge this much for books, and are we actually part of the problem by continuing to pay it?"

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  1. Sales by duerra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know somebody will probably reply with some "supply & demand" rebuttal, but either way...

    One of my old co-workers wrote a book on C# when it was becoming popular. One of the things that he stressed is that there is no money in writing books - you do it essentially for the love, and if you make a couple extra dollars, that's a bonus. Presumably tech books don't really sell that awful many copies, but it still costs a substantial amount to print off all those pages. I think the price of the books is a reflection of the relatively niche market that these books are looking to serve a need for, especially considering that most geeks can and likely do get a substantial portion of their information from the internet (the variety of info never hurt anybody, either - we've all seen the books that serve up less-than-ideal principles).

    Of course, if you're talking about books you get for college classes, that's a whole different matter. In that case, they rape you just because they can.

    Anyway, that's my $0.02. They need to make *some* money on the book, but they don't really sell enough copies to be able to get the substantial discounts that you'd like to see.

    1. Re:Sales by MythMoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One of the things that he stressed is that there is no money in writing books - you do it essentially for the love

      I sort of agree. Tech writing takes a phenomenal amount of time, and the pay is absolutely miniscule. I never expect to make money out of writing compared to my normal contract work.

      But - I don't write purely for the "love" (though it is a massive hit when you first hold a bound copy of a real honest-to-god book that you wrote yourself), but rather for the benefits of being a published author.

      It's great for your CV, it gives you something easy to talk about in interviews, it is surprisingly respected by co-workers, and if you've done a half-decent job of it, you will be contacted by people seeking an expert in the field.

      Your friend may well write for the love of it, but I suspect most tech authors, while not mercenaries by any means, are writing for some of the intangible benefits. Which is all to the good - if you're putting your reputation AND your opportunities on the line, you try damn hard to make a good job of it.

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    2. Re:Sales by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is a limited market, so printing and inventory are expensive (especially with actual stores) and also, the books expire quickly. You can get old tech books cheap. I bought a book on Photoshop CS2, it was $60. The same book on PhotoShop 7 was $12. With tech books you have to sell as much as you can before they expire.
      And keep in mind, things are worth what people are willing to pay. If no one will pay more than $10 for a Ferrari, your Ferrari is worth $10. If someone is willing to pay $100,000.00 for your 88 Civic, your 88 Civic is worth 100K. I don't know of any business that charges less than they could for their product.... (Loss leaders etc are a marketing strategy....)

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    3. Re:Sales by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 4, Informative

      One of the things that he stressed is that there is no money in writing books - you do it essentially for the love, and if you make a couple extra dollars, that's a bonus.

      Absolutely. It's a lot of work for essentially nothing more than whatever advance you can negotiate from the publisher. Typical advances for a computer trade book (non-textbook) are in the $8K-$10K range. That is often the only money the author ever sees. Why? Consider the economics. The normal royalty rate is 10% of the net (wholesale) price of the book. Say the book retails for $50 and the bookseller pays 60% of that to the publisher, i.e. $30. So the author gets $3 for each copy sold. But they won't see any money from the publisher until the advance is earned out, which means the publisher has to sell 3334 copies before the author sees another dime. (This is assuming all sales are in the US, since foreign sales usually have a lower royalty rate.)

      Now you may be thinking that 3334 copies is not a big deal to do, but it actually is for many tech topics, especially for books tied to specific versions of software or so on.

      Plus there are other oddities in publishing that conspire to make the author less money, such as the fact that bookstores can return unsold books back to the publisher for full credit, which means the publisher always keeps some of the money it's earmarked to pay the author "in reserve" in order to account for any returned copies. And the fact that publishers have long accounting cycles, which means it's not unusual to receive payment 6 months to 1 year after a quarter for the books sold in that quarter (assuming you've earned out your advance).

      Please don't be fooled into thinking that authors are raking in the big bucks on these books. Yes, obviously some authors do make a lot of money, but they're the exception. Writing books can be fun, but you don't do it to get rich.

      Eric
      My own self-publishing experiement will be out soon
    4. Re:Sales by mellon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You got it. When Ralph and I wrote the DHCP handbook, we probably put two man-months each into the book. The editors spent a week or two on it, and then there was the marketing effort, which costs real money. In the end, the book cost a lot of money to make, and didn't sell that many copies.

      One interesting factoid: the publisher doesn't care whether you go hardcover or paperback - the cost is effectively the same to them. So you can see that the cost isn't in the printing. This is why the ebook isn't any cheaper. The reason that tech books cost more than science fiction books is very simply that the non-recurring costs are amortized over fewer books. (BTW, when you get into the world of mass market paperbacks, the recurring costs start to swallow the non-recurring costs, and that's why a science fiction paperback has the potential to be cheaper than a hardcover.)

      If you want to ask a really good question about book publishing, ask this one: why are *textbooks* so goddamned expensive? I mean, every kid in the country has to have one, right? (TBH, I suspect that there's a pretty good explanation for this also - I just don't know what it is.)

    5. Re:Sales by Proteus+Child · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Give them to Goodwill or the Salvation army and get a tax deduction on them.

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  2. Some Classic Examples by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative
    I believe the problem with tech books is that they are books of ideas. They are pure raw ideas and usually can lead the way to making a lot of money.

    So you gamble and throw away a nominal sum in hopes that it helps you get your job done (which is invaluable to you because it provides the resources for living). Fifty dollars is worth it for a tool that keeps me employed.

    What I don't understand is why there isn't a discount for students. In college, I once ordered a book only to find it was the "overseas" paperback edition. Beware of these, not only are they fake but they will not last to heavy use and have no color/durability.

    What confuses me are the most is that some of my favorite books are the most the expensive. Among them:

    Why? These books are standards and needed by everyone. They should be able to capitalize off the popularity by lowering the price. Surely it doesn't take $120 to make Mitchell's Machine Learning--it's such a tiny book!

    I guess all I can do is blame the presses like John Wiley & Sons or McGraw Hill that seem to be the perpetrators of selling such expensive paper. Perhaps these are the results of botched initial contracts between author and publisher?

    I would wager that, upon the initial deal, a lot of authors agree to anything. One of these conditions might be that the before hand assumption is that the tech book will not sell well. And therefore, they charge a lot to make up for possible losses. If the book sells well, then why lower the price? Just keep it high and rake in the profits while the author gets what his contract says.

    A friend who worked at B&N once told me that tech books are the most abused books. People would "buy" the technology of the month book, then return it days later saying it wasn't what they were looking for. I think the volatility of technology and the fact that it changes almost monthly tends to cause problems for publishers. So they price them high in an effort to preemptively curb their losses.
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    1. Re:Some Classic Examples by Goo.cc · · Score: 4, Funny

      "A friend who worked at B&N"

      I work part time at a B&N (to fund my computer habit) and it does indeed happen a lot with computer books. My returns are frequently MSCE, C#, and Java books.

      On the flip side, it is nice to help and talk to people who are looking for information on Linux and Mac OS X. Sadly, they are outnumbered 1000 to 1 by the Oprah zombies.

    2. Re:Some Classic Examples by qengho · · Score: 4, Informative


      Surely it doesn't take $120 to make Mitchell's Machine Learning--it's such a tiny book!

      Especially now that Print On Demand technology enables the publisher to do single-copy hardback press runs, keep the retail price below fifty bucks and still make a profit. The tech publishers are just screwing you.

  3. three little letters by way2trivial · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ROI

    mass market paperbooks like sci fi have larger audiences, and can sit on the shelf for years..
    tech books have small audiences, and a short shelf life.

    Do you want to by a book on windows 95 in 2006? no? but you can still pick up a copy of Asimov robots of dawn...

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    1. Re:three little letters by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      tech books have small audiences, and a short shelf life.

      Yet this shouldn't be the case. Books on advanced data structures, OS Design, compiler theory, CPU architectures, language introductions, 3D Graphics theory, Artificial Intelligence, Virtual Machine Design, File System Design, etc, etc, etc, can sit on the shelf for YEARS. There's no inherent reason why computer books are so transient other than the fact that wanna-be programmers want a book on every little, unstable API in existence.

      Why do they want books on these subjects? Because they skip learning the basics, then they try to skip learning how to read documentation and standards. All of which means their heads are filling with marketing mush rather than useful information on how to design computer programs. ("Reading the W3C standards is too hard. Whaa!" Be a man/woman, suck it up, and figure it out! You'll get a lot more out of a few hours with the standards than you'll get out of hundreds of hours with fluffy books.)

      You have to ask yourself, do you have the FREE manuals for the x86 and AMD64 architectures sitting on your bookshelf? (Other architectures count too, but their documentation isn't usually free.) Have you read them? Why not? The information these books contain can help you understand exactly what your processor is doing, even at the 50,000 ft level of Java or Visual Basic.

      So if you find yourself with loads of books on outdated materials, but very few (or none) books on timeless basics, throw away your collection and start looking up the stuff you really need.

  4. They aren't by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you think education is expensive, you should try ignorance.

  5. Allow me to explain by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tech books started as an extreme niche market, with well-researched books chock full of useful information. Because of the amount of time and resources that it would take to put a book together (compared to the number of sales over its lifetime), books used to be more expensive.

    Somewhere along the way, though, publishers got an idea. If they could fill 300 pages with the literary equivalent of shovelware, they could sell you the book for the same amount of money (since buyers were used to it), but save huge amounts on the research of the title. Thus you ended up with books on VR that did nothing but describe commercial software packages, then in the appendix copy the instructions for a headboom from a far better book. That way they could advertise it as a "build your own VR system!" book, without really doing anything.

    This worked so well that publishers got another idea. They could publish even more of these books, and make MORE money! People would still pay it. So they flooded the shelves with whatever was popular at the moment. Be it the Sound Blaster, PERL, Java, XML, LDAP, whatever. It got to the point where if it could be extended from a magazine article, it went to a book form.

    And that's how we got to today. If someone can write an entire book on XML DTDs consisting of 30 pages of content, plus 250 pages of source code, manual pages, and descriptions of available parser packages, they will. As a result, the signal to noise ratio is pretty low. If the wannabe programmers would stop buying this crud, we might be able to send a message to the publishers that we want real books. Until then, though, you can only try to sift through the mess of garbage for the good stuff. Check out Bruce Perens' books. I can't vouch for all the content, but at least you can preview them online to see if they're worth the purchase.

    Oh, and in case you want to save a tree: Free Online Books (That are worth more than the paper they're printed on.)

    1. Re:Allow me to explain by Dan+Ost · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If a book is well organized and clearly written, then I'm perfectly willing to pay $30-$60 for it even if the content is freely available online. Books have indexes. A well-written book with a good index is vastly superior to a Google search anyday.

      Also, if I can hand someone a good book and say "read chapter 4, come back if you still need help", then it's worth the $30-$60 I paid for the book (even better if it's a book that the company reimbursed me for). I don't mind helping people (in fact, I rather enjoy it), but a good book will do a better job teaching the basic stuff than I am capable of and once they know the basic stuff, it's easier to help them with the advanced stuff since they already know the vocabulary.

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  6. They're not too expensive from the author's point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wrote a book on shell scripting in 1993 and a book on PHP in 1999, and I made total between the two books about $3,500. I think about spent almost two man years total on the two books. That's about $0.84 per hour. Despite dozens of requests from Simon & Schuster to write another book on various topics, I'm not going through that hassle again. It just isn't worth it. Even though both books were carried by both Borders and B&N, one was translated into five different languages, and they saw better than expected sales for the type of book, it sill isn't worth writing a book at even 20 times the pay.

    Proud AC since Oct '98

  7. Perhaps you don't realise what you're paying for. by MythMoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When you buy a technical book, you're paying for quite a lot:

    Proof reading
    Technical review
    Project management
    Artists and graphic design
    Layout for printing
    Printing
    Shipping
    Returns (books are generally sold on a "sale or return" basis)
    Authors
    Unsuccessful publications

    Without all of that you might get a good quality product, in the rare cases where an author has all the necessary skills, but mostly you won't.

    Technical books are a niche product. ANY technical book is a financial gamble, because the target audience is (usually) so small. You might sell 10,000 copies if you're lucky, but you might sell none. Poor processes at any stage will guarantee that you'll sell NONE to any given reader again.

    From my perspective as an author: all the parties concerned spend a huge amount of time putting a book together - each chapter passes in sequence through a couple of dozen stages, each one of which requires hours of one person's time. Specifically, I earn about 10% for an hour spent working on writing of the money I would earn from my clients doing development.

    See Apress.com for their standard contract terms if you want to decide if the fabulous riches of authorship have swayed my opinions. Ho ho.

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  8. Why do they charge this much for books? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    Information wants to be $54.95 plus sales tax.

  9. No money in it by Elvis+Parsley · · Score: 5, Informative

    I wrote a tech book and chapters of a few others some years back and, by coincidence, worked for a technical publisher in my "day job." These are the factors I see:

    1. Tech books are often large, which means they're more expensive to edit, more expensive to lay out, and more expensive to print and ship.

    2. The pool of potential authors is very small and could be making more money doing something else. The number of people who have the technical skills to write a book, the writing skills to convey technical information, and the willingness to act like a professional in return for tiny material gain is...well, there's not a lot of people like that. The impression I get is that people writing technical books get better deals than in other sectors of publishing, though it comes down to a pittance and a half rather than just a pittance. Still, that does make it a more expensive deal for the publisher.

    3. Even once a manuscript leaves an author's hands, there's additional overhead. There's the additional cost of hiring technical editors to make sure that what the author said is accurate, possibly the cost of licensing arrangements with software publishers, possibly the cost of doing illustrations (which also make the book even longer for its word count, which makes it yet more expensive), and possibly other costs.

    4. The market is small. This may be the single biggest factor. You've got relatively large up-front costs and limited possibilities for sales. Even the most successful book on, say, C# or photomanipulation with Gimp just isn't going to be a runaway best-seller on the order of a Harry Potter or Steven King book.

  10. employers often pay by a2wflc · · Score: 2, Informative

    Almost every company I've worked for (15+ full time and contract) has told me to go buy a book on whatever I'm doing and they'll reimburse me for it, even when it's something simple, or someting so new/complex/specialized that there is no book. If that's typical, I'd guess that publishers are setting price based on what managers are willing to pay, not on what readers are willing to pay.

  11. Why not a fundamental change? by khasim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You are absolutely correct that the books on concepts and fundamentals are still useful after years. So there is no reason why those cannot be produced in hardback and sold for less than they are right now.

    So why not make the books on the latest, unstable API into a 3-ring binder-type? Then, every year, you can purchase the updates to it.

    Yeah, I know. There's nothing to stop someone from just photocopying the original book and the updates. On the other hand, the printing costs would be far less so it would be easier for the printing company to turn a profit.

    80% (statistic I pulled out of my butt) of the material in a PHP4 intro book will be the same as the material in a PHP5 intro book which will be the same as the material in a PHP6 intro book. Yet you will pay the same price for the book each time.

    I also believe that most books in school courses should be packaged this way.

    1. Re:Why not a fundamental change? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If publishers would use more digital tools, this wouldn't be a problem. Using tags to identify indexes can allow a computer to precisely compute the page location of modified material. Run it through a layout program configured with the settings for the book, and you can have a professionally done work all ready for POD printing within a few minutes of making the modifications.

      This is exactly the type of stuff that technology was designed to solve. The fact that everyone still writes technical books in Microsoft Word so that they can be later laid out by hand is just shocking.

  12. Simple by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They don't sell the same volume as a Dan Brown or RK Rowling novel.

    When you consider how many books those author's sell, then ask yourself by those books are so expensive.

    They are also reference manuals, sources of information intended to support your work, which they largely assume your being paid to do. Buying a book on SQL or PHP or C++ programming is expensive because they consider these to be books used by professionals to make money. They don't consider these books to be bought by hobbyists having a passing interest in these technologies. The books predominantly are purchased by paid professionals seeking solutions and answers to products they intend to make a profit off of, or get paid to develop.

    There is also a certain mentality that there are people willing to pay $80 for a C++ reference manual, and I would suggest, there are lots of people that can't think on their own unless their ideas and education can be supported by a large reference library.

    I learn by doing. I learned PHP and MySQL by actually developing a website, throwing myself into the thick of it using only online reference manuals. Granted, it may not be the greatest website on the planet, but I learned how to implement a message board and dynamic content and advertising simply by doing it, not reading about it in a book. These book authors don't make money of competent individuals that can learn and explore new ideas on their own, they make their money off the people that feel it necessary to read about something for weeks before actually touching a computer. I found that usually picking up a book about mySQL or PHP AFTER doing my website, most of the books offer few new insights into using these technologies.

    If you think that these books are too expensive, realize there is a slew of free resources on the web at your finger tips. Largely, these books simply collect that information and consolidate it into a single source. If you have any programming experience, then you shouldn't need to buy a book about any other scripting or programming language, you already know the basic concepts and premises, you just need to understand the syntax, which you can find from countless online resources. If its not based on a programming language, such as learning how to use Windows 2003 server or Apache, etc. Try and learn about these technologies on your own by setting up your own server and using the web as a reference.

    If you still find you can't learn enough on your own, using the web as your guide, then you will at least learn to appreciate that buying a book, even an expensive one, is a better aid for you to learn new technologies. But I think you will find that learning by doing, rather then reading, is both inexpensive and more enjoyable in the long run.

    Finally, if your working for an employer that demands you setup a PHP server and develop a website next week, then get them to pay for the books if you have no experience. These book author's also assume that these books are paid for by employer's to enhance the skills and experience of their employees, and anything sold to businesses is generally more expensive then to individuals.

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  13. Re:K&R by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 2, Funny

    I found a copy for US$2 at a user book store. :-)

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  14. Re:Okay, I can buy all this.... by Elvis+Parsley · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But "The C programming language", written in 1978, and (according to Amazon) last updated in 1998, is a 274 page paperback. It has, no doubt, sold THOUSANDS (millions?) of copies over the years, and easily paid off it's production and update costs.

    Probably. Of course, there was no way of knowing that it would have sold that long or that much when it was initially published.

    This is just plain greed on the part of the publisher.

    Or maybe it's just making money where they can. There's this one book which has sold well. That's great. But for that book, there are probably four or five others which just broke even or made a small profit and a lot more which lost money. Publishing is a gamble. Publishers put out lots of books in hopes that some of them will make it. Most don't. The few that do make the difference between more books and going out of business.

  15. Re:Two words, Safari. by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, you click on a word in the index, and it takes you to the spot in the book it references. About the only problem I have with safari is it doesn't include the CDROMs. Though it does make an effort in almost all its books to link any freely available downloads that would be on the CDROM.

  16. Thor Power Tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The main reason technical books are so expensive is due to a Supreme Court ruling in 1979, Thor Power Tools vs the IRS. Basically, the IRS held that the long standing practice of counting inventory as an asset when it sold was a form of tax evasion. They wanted companies to pay tax on all their inventory, every year it was sitting in the warehouse. The IRS prevailed.

    Of course, what happened was companies just switched to year-at-a-time inventories. This has meant that anything highly specialized, whether power tools or technical books, has become ridiculously rare and expensive. That was when technical book prices shot up in price, and when their print runs dropped to infinitesimal most of the time.

    Congress, of course, can change the law anytime it wants to.

  17. Re:Okay, I can buy all this.... by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course, the publisher could be offsetting their losses on those other books. You know, the ones that sold 1000 copies before they went obsolete, or were part of the latest fad that lasted for 2 years or less, or were only of interest to a small subset of people.

    The question is, would you be willing to pay less if it meant that fewer books on fewer topics get published? What books would you, and the rest of the community be willing to see go away?

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  18. Size of market, supply, demand by jgennick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been involved for publishing for some years now, having written books of my own, edited for O'Reilly, and now I am with Apress. I don't know it all, but I do have some experience with publishing economics. The cost of paper and printing (i.e., the cost of the physical book) is fairly inconsequential in the overall scheme of things. A 500 or so page book like my Oracle SQL*Plus: The Definitive Guide probably costs in the neighborhood of USD 3.00 per copy to print and bind.

    So it's not the cost of the paper :-).

    What drives prices is the need to make a profit and pay all the people involved. All the editorial, production, and marketing costs must be borne by the quantity of a given book that a publisher expects to sell over that book's lifetime, and that quantity is often quite low. Sales projections of less than 20,000 units over a three year period are quite common, and many books will never even break the 10,000 unit mark. The high pricing that you see, and reader's willingness to pay it, is what allows many tech books to even exist.

    In the end, it does all boil down to supply and demand. The smaller a given market is, the higher the share of cost each customer must bear.

    And that SQL*Plus book I mentioned earlier? The second edition released in November 2004. Since then it has sold 1060 units, making me a total of $2883.91. In hindsight, it wasn't worth the effort to produce the second edition. I've had other books do better though, and in the long run the averages work out well enough that I'm happy (given that writing is supplemental income, and not my primary source). Publishers play the averages too. Some books will break out and be very profitable. Most will not. It is rarely easy to determine which is which until after the fact.