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Senate Hearing Recap

Gamespot has a look at what went on this week in the Senate hearings on game legislation. Some dramatic testimony was heard at the event, from both sides of the debate. From the article: "The crux of Smith's testimony is that, like film or books, games are a form of expression. 'Video games feature the artwork of leading graphic artists, as well as music--much of it original--that enhances the game's artistic expression in the same way as movie soundtracks,' he said. 'These games often contain storylines and character development as detailed as [and sometimes based on] books and movies. These games frequently involve familiar themes such as good versus evil, triumph over adversity, and struggle against corrupt powers.'"

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  1. Foolish testimony... by kunwon1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA:

    During his emotional testimony, Strickland lashed out at games' impact on society. "As I gather more information on the games and the people who call themselves 'gamers,' I could see how someone like Devin, who at one minute did not put up any resistance ... [could take] my brother's gun from him in the police station, shooting him and then killing two other men in a matter of less than two minutes," said Strickland. "A game such as Grand Theft Auto: Vice City could and did teach him how to do this."

    Anyone who thinks GTA can teach someone how to shoot has either A) Never played GTA or B) Never fired a weapon, ever.

    Dave

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    1. Re:Foolish testimony... by phoenix.bam! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No sense blaming the killings on poor police training, poor methods of detaining suspects, poor gun safety and most of all, the kids parents or even OMGBBQ!11 the kid himself!

      There have always been crazy people. Just because some crazy people play games now does not mean that games make people crazy.

    2. Re:Foolish testimony... by moochfish · · Score: 1

      Well, it teaches you how to spray and pray pretty well...

    3. Re:Foolish testimony... by kunwon1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but 'Spray and Pray' is how -NOT- to fire a weapon.

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    4. Re:Foolish testimony... by MrTester · · Score: 1

      So what next? Are they going to make target shooting illegal because it teaches the use of a fire arm? How about hunting?

      Should we throw every 8 year old who plays cops-and-robbers in jail?

      Thank you Mr. Strickland. Without the clueless I would have nothing to laugh at.

    5. Re:Foolish testimony... by HolyCrapSCOsux · · Score: 2, Funny
      uhhh...

      I read OMGBBQ!11 as Oh My god, we're having a barbeque at 11! or is that on the 11th? I thought my 1337 5k1lz were up to par, but...

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    6. Re:Foolish testimony... by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      Exactly! That wastes ammo.

      I learned the right way: hold down the left trigger to keep firing, and then repeatedly press and release the right trigger to switch opponents.

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  2. Nothing new by Siberwulf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its just censorship under the veil of protection. Give games the rating based on the same standard as in movies, and block access to them, just like with movies.

    Put some of the damn responsibility back on the parents.
    First, songs taught us how to kill cops.
    Then Beavis and Butthead taught us how to kill each other.
    Then wrestling taught us to suplex each other.
    Now games teach us to fire guns.

    Its a general problem in america (and yes, I'm american, and texan at that) where we can't and won't own up to the ability to control our lives. I don't know where it started, but thats a common theme over the past 20 years. I'm curious where the next phase of this is going to go.

    1. Re:Nothing new by Crizp · · Score: 1

      Civil war.

    2. Re:Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give games the rating based on the same standard as in movies, and block access to them, just like with movies.

      Do you mean they should leave the retailer free to decide whether or not to allow access to games, as is the case with movies, or do you mean something else? It's hard to be sure from your comment.

    3. Re:Nothing new by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

      Our best and brightest will start a new society in a quite valley somewhere in the Rockies and refuse to come out until we all listen to their leader's 50 page speech.

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  3. Blame Everyone Else Instead! Read How IT Works! by Dog+Chapman · · Score: 0

    I'm going to patent something called resonsiblity-for-ones-own-actions. I will charge a disgusting amount of money to license resonsiblity-for-ones-own-actions so NO ONE will ever be able to claim resonsiblity-for-ones-own-actions again! Soon it will fade into distant memory! Thank god for this great nation of ours.

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  4. flawed logic by radical_dementia · · Score: 5, Informative

    These anti-game activists keep saying that video games increase aggression and violent behavior. However I find that hard to believe considering US Crime Rates have in fact been decreasing since videogame began getting popular in the early 90s.

    1. Re:flawed logic by hchaput · · Score: 1
      These anti-game activists keep saying that video games increase aggression and violent behavior. However I find that hard to believe considering US Crime Rates have in fact been decreasing since videogame began getting popular in the early 90s.
      Flawed logic indeed. Where do I begin?

      • Other factors contribute to crime. That doesn't mean violent media doesn't contribute at all.
      • Video games have been popular since the 80s at least.
      • Very very few people say that "video games increase aggression and violent behavior." However, many psychologists and the APA do say that violent media increases aggression and violent behavior.
      • There are no anti-game activists, at least not in this discussion. There are a handful of anti-violent-game activists. But mostly legislators, psychologists and parents advocate restricting the sales of ultra-violent games to minors. This is not a ban. This is parental control.
    2. Re:flawed logic by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 2
      "But mostly legislators, psychologists and parents advocate restricting the sales of ultra-violent games to minors. This is not a ban. This is parental control."
      The government is not a parent. The game store is not a parent. This is NOT parental control. This is government as 'father knows best' for everyone. The ESRB is enough to inform parents of the content of a game just as the MPAA rates films - there is no need for government involvement.

    3. Re:flawed logic by bradkittenbrink · · Score: 1

      Other factors contribute to crime. That doesn't mean violent media doesn't contribute at all.

      Indeed, anyone who believes that the decrease in violent crimes is well correlated with the rise of violent games should read Freakonomics and find out what it is much better correlated with. In fact, everyone should just go read Freakonomics anyway 'cause its an awesome book.

    4. Re:flawed logic by hchaput · · Score: 1
      "The government is not a parent. The game store is not a parent. This is NOT parental control. This is government as 'father knows best' for everyone. The ESRB is enough to inform parents of the content of a game just as the MPAA rates films - there is no need for government involvement."
      You're exactly right: neither the govt nor the game store is parent. That is why neither should be deciding what games a minor can buy. Parents should decide. But the FTC found that 42% of kids between 13 and 16 could buy an M-rated game without their parents. And what's to stop game sellers from selling M-rated games to minors? The lawmakers in question want to restrict the sale of M-rated games to adults. Then parents can decide if their child should get an M-rated game.

      The govt doesn't decide what games get an M-rating, the game industry does. Why should game sellers get to decide if my 14yo can buy an M-rated game? That should be my choice.

    5. Re:flawed logic by masterzora · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I agree! It should be illegal to sell M-rated games to minors, just like it's illegal to sell R-rated movies to minors!

      Oh, wait...

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    6. Re:flawed logic by John+Miles · · Score: 1

      Flawed logic indeed.

      It's flawed logic to assume causation... but it is not flawed logic to ask just what problem these hearings are trying to solve. There doesn't seem to be one, if you actually look at the numbers.

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    7. Re:flawed logic by catprog · · Score: 1

      Other factors contribute to crime. That doesn't mean violent media doesn't contribute at all.

      But if violent media contributes why did the crime rate go down

      Video games have been popular since the 80s at least.

      When did violent games start becoming popular?

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    8. Re:flawed logic by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "The government is not a parent."

      No it's not, but what does that have to do with the argument, it's illegal to serve a minor alcohol, is that being a parent? No, it means the government is making reasonable regulations on commerce that makes life a bit simpler for parents. The fines and a direct threat via the license, send a clear message to the publican to act as a responsible adult when dealing with somebody else's kid. And if someone does sell your kids a tequila slammer at the local strip joint, it also gives the parent a clear avenue of recourse other than smacking the publican around the side of the head with a bat!

      I gotta say as an outsider that I find it bizzare that a flash of tit at the superbowl is "OMG think of the childeren - $$$fine$$$", yet kids can walk in and buy (rent???) R rated movies (magazines???) and that's ok, because ya-know, that's "free speech" and we don't want a "nanny state"?

      WTF are you people smoking over there? Make one consistent advisory standard, stick a label on everything and fine any shop owner who blatantly disregards the rules into financial oblivion. How does that affect an adult gamer, a responsible shop owner? How does it stop someone providing this stuff for their own kid if they choose to do so? The least it can possibly do is teach shop owners to respect warnings whilst taking candy from a baby.

      Disclaimer: I have two adult kids and I love playing shoot-em-ups on the net.

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    9. Re:flawed logic by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 1
      "No it's not, but what does that have to do with the argument, it's illegal to serve a minor alcohol, is that being a parent? No, it means the government is making reasonable regulations on commerce that makes life a bit simpler for parents."
      There's a difference between alcohol and violent video games. There are documented health risks that come with children drinking alcohol. There is no such link between violent video games and children. I am sure that many well-adjusted teenagers can see that GTA is quite comical and enjoy the game. On the other hand, alcohol is a quite different subject.

      A much better example is the regulation of movies - there is no government involvement and yet theatres still ask for identification for teenagers trying to get into R-rated movies.

      As for your insult of the United States - again, there is a difference between an image being broadcast onto the airwaves and someone that is being sold in a store. The fact that you don't understand that is quite telling about your ability to reason.

    10. Re:flawed logic by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "There is no such link between violent video games and children. I am sure that many well-adjusted teenagers can see that GTA is quite comical and enjoy the game."

      Yep I agree and my kids had good exposure to "real life", yet I also understand that a large sub-section of parents do not agree and would like to be able to control THIER kids access to games with violence / sex / drugs (the last two being concepts kids are only just aware of around puberty). Now before you say that it is "unrealistic", I know but remember we are talking about kids ( esp. 8-puberty ). Sneaking off to play GTA or read playboy at a mates house does not intefere with the "social graces" you try to teach to the kids. Most people are violent because they learnt from their parents not because they played video games. You will get the odd screw-ball "go postal" but "screw-ball's" have been doing that since the stone age, you can't stop random nuts because ....well... the're random. The whole point is should the shop owner be able to veto a parents "reasonable control" over their kids purchases.

      "..there is a difference between an image being broadcast onto the airwaves and someone that is being sold in a store."

      I had no intention of "insulting the USA" but I have to say that difference is found "Only in America". Do the kids only watch broadcast TV and don't have pocket money to buy/rent a game/porno from an iresponsible shop owner? Why is brodcast different? In Australia and many other places consistent ratings are set by an independent authority, brodacast ratings change throughout the day, before/after school ect. All broadcast shows (including stuff like "naked news", ect) carry advisories. The ratings are there to guide parents and the easily offended when to "switch it off", there is no major differece between material in the store/theater/broadcast/cable, you cannot rent/sell adult(18+) or "mature age"(15+ I think) material to a minor without a gaurdians permission and this puts the parent firmly in the drivers seat without treading on anyone else's right to enjoy "bad taste material" or play GTA with their own kids.

      When my kids were teens the video store owner would ring me and ask if it was ok to if they rent GTA, I was in "control" of that part of my kids environment and society backed me up with a phone call. Sure there are some unhappy kids but that's life when your parents are in control.

      If you expect parents to be "responsible" with brining up their kids to meet the requirements for a "well-adjusted" adult then these types of enforced "advisories" should be supported so as to cut a large number of parents some slack and make the whole thing rational. From the day the laws are introduced, all anyone has to do to shut down someone who thinks porno should be banned "because of the children" is show the clip with Eminem pointing to the sticker.

      BTW: A minor can also be served alcohol with a meal and the gaurdians permission.

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    11. Re:flawed logic by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 1
      "The whole point is should the shop owner be able to veto a parents "reasonable control" over their kids purchases. "
      That's not the issue at all. Store owners currently deny children the ability to purchase certain games. The real issue is whether the government should be the one determining what is and isn't okay for children to have. The ESRB functions fine without government involvement.
      "Do the kids only watch broadcast TV and don't have pocket money to buy/rent a game/porno from an iresponsible shop owner? Why is brodcast different? In Australia and many other places consistent ratings are set by an independent authority, brodacast ratings change throughout the day, before/after school ect. All broadcast shows (including stuff like "naked news", ect) carry advisories."
      And you show your ignorance of the situation there. Instead of insulting the US and wondering what sort of drugs we are on, you might want to get your facts straight first. The Superbowl aired without any type of warning that there would be nudity. The nudity that occurred was completely out of place and unexpected and it went out over public airwaves. If I sit down with my child to watch a sporting event, I don't expect that nudity will come up. It's so insulting that you think you know what you're talking about and cite these great ratings advisory boards when talking about how people made a big deal over the Superbowl incident - there are ratings in place on American television and those ratings did not reflect the content.

      BTW: A minor can also be served alcohol with a meal and the gaurdians permission.
      Check your facts again.
      "If you expect parents to be "responsible" with brining up their kids to meet the requirements for a "well-adjusted" adult then these types of enforced "advisories" should be supported so as to cut a large number of parents some slack and make the whole thing rational."
      Nothing in that grammatical mess makes an argument for why the government needs to be involved. Private advisory agencies exist for all media sold in the U.S. The ESRB, the MPAA, the RIAA all rate content. Parents are informed now without any laws on the books that amount to the government denying someone freedom of speech. Obviously freedom of speech isn't important to you and you don't mind letting the government tell you what to do but not all of us are so weak-willed.
    12. Re:flawed logic by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "That's not the issue at all. Store owners currently deny children the ability to purchase certain games."

      As I understand it, that behaviour is optional the shop owner does not have an OBLIGATION to operate that way. What the bill is saying is that it should no longer be optional. It is simply the government mandating what is already practised by most of the shop keepers.

      "And you show your ignorance of the situation there ..... Check your facts again."

      No you missed the part that said "In Australia" ... anyway I can see you just don't like the idea of a legally independent authority because it must be set up by "the government". I guess that means you PERSONALLY are satisfied with corporations who sell the stuff also setting the standard for what is/isn't suitable for kids. You also don't mind having no say at all in how those standards are set and it's not a problem that you have no comeback when they are ignored. You are entitled to your trust in corporations but a vast number of parents (including me) would say it is misplaced.

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    13. Re:flawed logic by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 1
      "No you missed the part that said "In Australia" ... "
      You said that in a paragraph quite separate from your aside about alcohol. There was no reason to expect that that statement was still in effect.

      "As I understand it, that behaviour is optional the shop owner does not have an OBLIGATION to operate that way. What the bill is saying is that it should no longer be optional. It is simply the government mandating what is already practised by most of the shop keepers. "
      That's a complete oversimplification of the whole thing.

      "anyway I can see you just don't like the idea of a legally independent authority because it must be set up by "the government". I guess that means you PERSONALLY are satisfied with corporations who sell the stuff also setting the standard for what is/isn't suitable for kids. You also don't mind having no say at all in how those standards are set and it's not a problem that you have no comeback when they are ignored. You are entitled to your trust in corporations but a vast number of parents (including me) would say it is misplaced."
      I'm sorry that you had to resort to shifting the argument like this. It's disappointing that you couldn't argue your point without the type of nonsense you display. The ESRB is an indepedent body that is not controlled by any video game developer. As evidenced by the ratings change after the 'Hot Coffee' debacle, the ESRB is not afraid to stand up to a publisher. Apparently you don't know anything about the ESRB. But that seems to be the status quo for you. Can you cite one example where the ESRB has made a rating that you personally disagree with? And do you know how to contact the ESRB about a dispute you had with a rating of a game? I would guess not since it appears you don't know anything about that organization. The simple fact is that parents should be responsible for what their children play. The government and the store owner do not have an obligation to raise the child, in my opinion. (You want Big Brother to raise yours for you, apparently.) Providing information about the content of games is great. Raising children who can make the right decision about what games they are allowed to buy without having the state guide them is even better.

      Your response stinks of lacking personal responsibility. I find you to be quite weak-willed.

    14. Re:flawed logic by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "The ESRB is an indepedent body"

      No, it is an industry body in the same genre as the *IAA, it's funding and point of view are directly attributable to the common interests of it's members (as evidenced by it's strong opposition to anything except "self-regulation"). Members pay fines because they want to remain members, other than that, they have no power to enforce ANY rules. I have no need to know anymore, it's rules do not affect me and are not backed up by genuine regulations.

      "...you had to resort to shifting the argument..."

      I have not shifted the argument, I summarised what I see as your point of view and gave up trying to reason with you. I also acknowlaged that you are entitled to your opinion no matter how misguided it happens to be. I did this because of the well known fact that it is impossible to argue with an idiot, especially one who lacks basic comprehension skills and blames his confusion on the author.

      "Your response stinks of lacking personal responsibility."

      I have created two responsible adults, you have done squat, so go fuck yourself!

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    15. Re:flawed logic by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 1
      "No, it is an industry body in the same genre as the *IAA, it's funding and point of view are directly attributable to the common interests of it's members (as evidenced by it's strong opposition to anything except "self-regulation"). Members pay fines because they want to remain members, other than that, they have no power to enforce ANY rules. I have no need to know anymore, it's rules do not affect me and are not backed up by genuine regulations."
      Then why would the ESRB have caused such a fuss over the Hot Coffee incident? Seems to me that if what you say is true, they would have just let it slide - wouldn't want to hurt one of their masters, right?

      The rest of your name-calling is what I expected from someone like you - a person that wants the state and everyone in society to raise your brood for you. Rather than teaching them to know right from wrong and to know what they are allowed and are not allowed to do, you want everyone else to protect them from themselves. How very sad. Your children will grow up to be entirely unremarkable, just like you. And while I judge you based on your words, you decide what I have and haven't done with my life based on pure speculation. Not the sign of an intelligent person. Here's to hoping your swine don't reproduce. Have a nice day!

    16. Re:flawed logic by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      You are a kid, you will sing a different song when you are a parent.

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    17. Re:flawed logic by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 1
      "You are a kid, you will sing a different song when you are a parent."
      You know nothing about me or what I am. In fact, you were the one that was reduced to pedestrian curses, not me. That's rather telling and, most likely, you're lying. It doesn't matter either way. I don't argue based on my status - I argue using logic and reason and I, mistakenly, assumed I would get the same. Instead of doing that, you've decided that I should respect your opinion based on your claim that you have children. I don't and I don't see why I should. I've been able to argue my point without referencing how many children I have. Why couldn't you do the same? (The answer: I am smarter than you.) Have a good one!
    18. Re:flawed logic by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      lol, check back over the conversation and look at the insults on BOTH sides. Like I said you are a kid, how did I know that - because I am a parent of adult children.

      Being a parent is not something you can sit down and intellectualise, you have to experience it....listening to you pontificate about how others should bring up their children is kinda like listening to a virgin give instructions on how to staisfy a woman.

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    19. Re:flawed logic by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 1
      "check back over the conversation and look at the insults on BOTH sides"
      Look back at the conversation and look at who was reduced to the baseness of cursing.

      "Like I said you are a kid, how did I know that - because I am a parent of adult children."
      And just to make it crystal clear - you're wrong about this.
      "Being a parent is not something you can sit down and intellectualise, you have to experience it....listening to you pontificate about how others should bring up their children is kinda like listening to a virgin give instructions on how to staisfy a woman."
      You contend that I am not a parent. I'll grant you that point even though it is incorrect. From there, you make the logical jump to say that anyone who is a parent would agree completely with your point of view. Not only isn't this a compelling argument, it's quite pathetic that you believe it to be worth saying. Let's take an unrelated example - there are veterans who fought in the Vietnam war. Some took this experience and decided to become peace activists, others stayed in the military and planned subsequent military actions. You see, my point is that people have different opinions, even if they have gone through the same experiences. I have raised children. You may have raised children. I didn't turn into a coward that wanted society to protect my children from everything. You did.

      Your argument has boiled down to you saying you are correct because you believe you are and that anyone who dares to disagree with you must not have children. This is utterly stupid.

    20. Re:flawed logic by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Here is my own bit of cut & paste....

      "No, it [ESRB established by ESA] is an industry body in the same genre as the *IAA, it's funding and point of view are directly attributable to the common interests of it's members (as evidenced by it's strong opposition to anything except "self-regulation"). Members pay fines because they want to remain members, other than that, they have no power to enforce ANY rules. I have no need to know anymore, it's rules do not affect me and are not backed up by genuine regulations."

      Wether the ESRB is "effective" or not is irrelevant.

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    21. Re:flawed logic by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 1
      Done arguing that you're right and I'm wrong because you claim to have children and claim that I don't?

      The moment you had to invent a background for me to argue your point, you proved that I am correct.

  5. Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    FTA: The last legal basis Saunders cited will be the most familiar--namely, that playing violent games causes "harm" to minors. He said [...] "the correlation of media violence with real-world violence is as strong as that for secondhand smoke and lung cancer, lead exposure in children and lower IQs, use of the nicotine patch and smoking cessation, and asbestos exposure and cancer of the larynx."

    That may be the case, but if it is, why is he only arguing for the restriction of violent video games? Let's have proper laws to protect kids from violent TV, violent song lyrics, news reports about real-world violence, references to war in Presidential speeches, and anything else that might upset them.

    1. Re:Hypocrisy by gorbachev · · Score: 1

      "That may be the case, but if it is, why is he only arguing for the restriction of violent video games?"

      Well, because MPAA and RIAA have much more powerful lobbyists than the gaming industry.

      And some excellent representation in the US Congress and Senate. Gotta love the campaign donations!

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  6. There is hope... by spaztik · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe the Video Game Voters Network is finally having an effect on our congressmen.

    If you haven't done so already I would strongly encourage all of you to sign up here: http://www.videogamevoters.org/

  7. How about... by HolyCrapSCOsux · · Score: 1
    We sue Charmin (Kimberly-Clark?) for not having invented disinfectant toilet paper that can wipe our asses for us and leave it nicely scented afterwards.

    They are clearly negligent!

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  8. Foregone Consequences by twoallbeefpatties · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So here's the list of those at the hearing:

    * A reverend, whose brother was killed by a self-described gamer. Has no scientific degree, but argues that games must be causing violent behavior.
    * A psychologist who believes videogames may have a negative impact on children, without specifically stating that they do have a negative impact.
    * A professor of speech communications, who testifies that the impact of videogames on children are possibly overblown. (Here's a link that has an excerpt of some of Dmitri Williams's testimony.)
    * A research scientist who states that violent media have an impact on children, and states that videogames may have a deeper impact by being more interactive, without saying that they are more influential.
    * A videogame industry member, who points out how videogame laws rarely stand up to judicial review.
    * A politician who plans on endorsing a new bill coming out against videogame violence. Has no scientific degree, but argues that videogames must be causing violent behavior
    * A lawyer who has represented the videogame industry, who points out how these laws rarely stand up to judicial review.
    * A lawyer who argues that there may be means to restrict sales of games to minors despite First Amendment claims.

    So according to this hearing, the videogame industry is nothing but lawyers attempting to get judicial activist judges to repeal these laws on flimsy laws, and the counter-media side had a lawyer to provide a counter-argument. Researchers who said that videogames may have an effect on children and thus advocated for new laws outnumbered the one psychologist that pointed out that what we know is incomplete. And the pro-videogame crowd got no response to the ad hominem attacks from two people who know nothing about videogames except to say that they must be causing harm, as if having the Reverend on the panel would contribute anything to the discussion but rhetoric.

    Just out of curiosity, does anyone not think a national bill involving the sales of videogames to minors is not now inevitable, considering just what kinds of testimony Congress is going to spend their time listening to?

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  9. Which government wouldn't just love to outlaw that by D4C5CE · · Score: 1
    These games frequently involve familiar themes such as [...] struggle against corrupt powers.
    Looks like they're about to be banned...
  10. Maybe I'm just feeling crotchety, but... by MilenCent · · Score: 1

    "Good vs. Evil" is not a theme. It's a cliche, and one of the worst.