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Britannica Attacks - Nature Returns Fire

An anonymous reader writes "Just in case you missed it, Nature has replied to Britannica's criticism of the Nature Britannica-Wikipedia comparison. I think it is fair to say Nature is not sympathetic to Britannica's complaints." The original piece regarding the accuracy comparison, along with the response from Britannica.

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  1. Nature dodged the issue. by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I like how Nature dodged the issue regarding the ethanol review. Notice how they did not say they added non-Britannica materials to the items being reviewed, Nature only said that the paragraphs cited by the reviewer were sourced from Britannica. This side-stepping of the actual issue raised by Britannica raises more concerns that it resolves.

    Why was Nature mixing Britannica and non-Britannica materials together for the reviewer? Was the intent to place the Britannica materials in a certain, and erroneous, context so that the reviewers would be led to an incorrect interpretation?

    The more that surfaces about Nature's tactics (and possibly strategy) here, the more suspicious Nature's intentions look.

    Was there any coverage here on /. of Britannica's rebuttal a week or so ago? I must have missed it.

    1. Re:Nature dodged the issue. by LurkerXXX · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Right you are.

      Especially troubling to see was the quote from Nature justifying that they had done a good job "And of the 123 purported errors in question, Britannica takes issue with fewer than half."

      Ok, I'm a Ph.D. research scientist. I've published papers. I can tell you right now, if I submit a paper to Nature and the reviewers have doubts about "fewer than half my data", there is no freaking way in hell that my paper is going to get published. Seriously. I can't believe that part of the defense from a scientific publication is that "less than half" of it's data was called into question.

      I'm horribly disappointed in Nature. It's considered the top (or one of the very top) scientific journals. Keeping the actual raw data hidden, and these strange defenses of what appears to be a very very flawed study method is far below the level of journalism that they should hold themselves to.

    2. Re:Nature dodged the issue. by The+Cydonian · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Absolutely.

      In fact, I'll even say this:- contrary to the general expectation out here, the whole point of this debate is not to gauge either Wikipedia's or Brittanica's reliability, but Nature's, and I'm afraid the magazine's half-hearted response, for reasons you've stated among many other rthings, has in no way been even remotely satisfactory.

  2. Re:It boils down to this by Moby+Cock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree with you 100%. I had a discussion on this very topic last week with some friends. One of them was concerned that Wikipedia will eventually cause Britannia (and the others) to be pushed out of business and when she does need more and better info than Wikipedia can provide there will be no other sources. An interesting thought.

    What if research libraries no longer have for-profit encyclopedias?

    After some though we realised that encyclopedias are not really primary references anyway. Wikipedia is good enough (even with jackasses vandalising pages) to get you to the proper primary references to continue research and as such serves its function weel. It is certainly good enough to settle day-to-day curioisity and is an excellen primer for more detailed research.

    Send a donation to Wikipedia, they deserve a little love.

  3. Dmitri Mendeleev's article by Brushen · · Score: 4, Interesting
    They said of Mendeleev's Britannica article that he was the 13th of 17 surviving children, and not the 17th. They said of Wikipedia's article that he was the 13th surviving child, and not the 17th. Britannica's error was probably due to a typographical error in the source material that they used, a New York Times article.

    Wikipedia users in January found out on the talk page, trying to make sure they used written sources to correct articles, and not just Nature's word, that in actuality, conflicting sources say that he was the 13th child, and others say he was the 14th, because historians disagree. They made a note of this in the article.

    About two and a half months later, after Wikipedia has already fixed the 'error,' Britannica comes out with the response, and does not directly admit they made an error, but goes on to disagree with Nature saying he was the 14th child, and brags about how they noted historians disagree on the issue of whether he was 13th or 14th. The new Britannica issue will be coming off the presses with the error corrected in about a year, probably. I see a lesson here.

  4. Re:The original comparison article by linzeal · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This isn't funny, its the most informative post on this story I've seen.

    From Wikipedia, "The Britannica was an important early English-language general encyclopedia and is still regarded as one of the most important reference books in the English language". About 2 pages of text at 1024x768 with a lively history and current direction the privately held company is heading.

    Britannica, not a single word on perhaps the most important contribution to encyclopedia since Britannica. In a word disturbing.

    However, I was surprized at how cheap Encyclopedia Britannica has become, I can remember when the CD version came on like 4 discs and cost 100 bucks. Wikipedia has to be the instigator of the price drop, if there were a level playing field I bet the same thing would of happened to windows when linux came out. An open API would be a cool punishment for Microsoft in any future antitrust cases.

  5. Wikipedia vs Britannica - a personal perspective. by Autochthonous+Lagomo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As someone who uses both Britannica (the software version of 2006's encyclopedia) as well as Wikipedia almost daily, I have to say that Britannica is sadly out of its league most of the time.

    Sure, every now and then I'll encounter something on Wikipedia that is blatantly biased or wrong, but 99% of the time it's updated on the talk pages.

    An example comes from a plague I was researching that devastated ancient Athens just as they were gearing up against the Spartans. Britannica is suitably vague about this, but the Wikipedia article on the subject has a great section about how, in 2005, genetic testing proved that it was typhoid fever which devastated Athens at that period. As this was the 2006 Britannica, why didn't it have that information?

    A more obvious example of Britannica being less up-to-date is in the country histories articles. They almost all stop at about 1999-2001, without addressing any of the more recent years. Again, in a 2006 publication, why should this be the case? Wikipedia trumps again.

    And lastly, people hold Britannica and other encyclopedias up higher than Wikipedia and other open-source content, but they do so erroneously. The point is, encyclopedia articles don't go through enormous peer-review, and are more likely to have errors than a non-vandalized Wikipedia article, simply because there are far fewer contributing eyes scanning the text, and far fewer people reviewing it and keeping it up to date.