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Microsoft Launches Linux Labs Website

mjdroner writes "ZDNet is reporting that Microsoft is launching a website to 'share the activities of its internal Linux laboratories.' Microsoft says its goal is to foster communication with those who use open-source. The article also mentions that Microsoft runs a 300-server Linux installation to test open-source products." From the article: "Customers will be able to submit requests to Microsoft employees. For example, a person could ask how to best test the use of Linux desktops working with Microsoft's directory software. In addition, Port 25 will do video interviews with Microsoft employees with experience in the open-source or Unix world, Hilf said."

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  1. Embrace... by LithiumX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We all know what this is. They've more or less claimed it as a prime mantra behind their business logic. Embrace and "Extend". The Embracing has started, but that Extension is going to be considerably less fun.

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  2. USAF had practice units act like Soviets ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The U.S. Airforce once had some of their practice squadrons use Russian tactics and made 'em speak Russian and had 'em briefed with a Soviet flag in the background. This helped the regular pilots practice "against the enemy".

    I wonder if this is sort of the same concept going on here.

  3. who do you want to sue today? by geoff+lane · · Score: 3, Interesting

    MS admits that staff inspect and use open source.

    How do they ensure that none of that source doesn't leak into MS products?

    It would be interesting to discover the facts, we've shown you ours, how about you show us yours?

  4. So, they count BSD as a Linux distrobution. by assassinator42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At least, this makes it seem like they do: "The lab's software is even more diverse, with some 15 versions of UNIX and 50 distributions of Linux--including many lesser-known ones like Asianux, CentOS and NetBSD." http://port25.technet.com/archive/2006/03/31/14.as px Looks like there are already a few comments there about it though.

  5. Re:Then stop breaking things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Kids these days! You'd think they've never heard "DOS isn't done until Lotus doesn't run".

  6. My letter to Microsoft by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I posted this on Kishi's Korner on port25. I really hope they publish it.


    Dear Microsoft:

    Before investigating Linux, would you guys please do the following so we can testify of your good faith?

    * Opening the Excel and Word binary formats
    * Adapting the Open Document Format for Microsoft Word
    * Fixing the Web Folders to be 100% compatible with existing standards (I want to use webfolders on my php-based site!)
    * Adopting the ext2 and ext3 (and reiser if possible) file systems for Windows XP and Vista
    * Releasing the Internet Explorer sourcecode (including but not limited to the extensions like XML and XSLT handling) under the GPL
    * Supporting the w3c standards in Internet Explorer - for this we web designers have had to endure constant headaches.
    * Promise not to file any patent suits against Open Source programmers and companies
    * Stop the "embrace and extend" business please...

    Also, there's something I have against Microsoft. For years I've found bugs in various of your products but me, as a mere mortal user have found no means to contact you. Please adopt collaboration tools like Sourceforge - trust me, they're great.

    P.S. If you could get Steve out of the company and put MiniMSFT in his place, I'd be delighted :D

    Thanks!
  7. Re:Documentation! by spanommers · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Having spent a summer at Microsoft, I can verify that Microsoft does, in fact, treat protocols as "innermost workings." They are treated as intellectual property, and when the protocols are good, that means they are valuable business assets. Interoperability is not a metric for many protocols (unless you consider different versions of Windows).

  8. Re:Microsoft just has to adapt to business reality by utlemming · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You, know, part of me is wondering whether this part of there attempt to satisfy the EU. After all, the EU demanded that MS play nice with competitors. By 'supporting' Linux in the sense of helping people to integrate other solutions with MS, they might actually be helping their case in the EU. MS could claim that they have documented stuff and that they now are offering support via a website to help people integrate. Afterall, MS needs the EU to calm down before they get in some serious trouble with Vista; the EU has already expressed concerns with Vista to begin with. So while we look at this with suspicion (and I defently do), I would argue that the reasons are a lot less sinsiter as we have presumed and may just be an attempt at propaganda to get the EU off their back. What we have to ask ourselves is what is the economic benefit of offering integration support? And with the EU about to charge them $2.4million a day ($864million a year), I would call that a serious economic benefit. Even if Microsoft loses some sales as a result of doing the support, I doubt that they are going to lose as much as they would by the EU ruling. Also, you'll notice that MS is offering Linux support now in their virtualization product.

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  9. Re:GPL by topace3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If they only release EXEs, they break the GPL.
    you must supply the sources of the OSS you've used.
    That is one of the reasons apple built their OS from BSD instead of Linux.

    as for what Microsoft's aim is, I have no idea. GPL is a hard nut to crack,
    seeing as how any changes they make must be positive, or will never be accepted.

    To have a say in the developement of OSS, what you do must be positive for the
    project. That's the overwhelming beuaty of the Open Source model.