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Ad Measurement Is Going High-Tech

Carl Bialik from WSJ writes "A media-measurement company called IMMI is giving panel participants special cellphones that can take reliable sound samples to track consumer behavior. 'Those snippets -- taken every 30 seconds and altered mathematically so any conversation is made unintelligible -- are transmitted continuously to IMMI,' the Wall Street Journal reports. 'Sounds from headphone devices such as iPods can be transmitted to the cellphones with a wireless accessory. IMMI has been building a database of sound signatures, with help from customers testing the company's services as well as with CD content it has licensed.' The idea is to use the sound signatures to test what media consumers are exposed to -- everything from radio music to movie trailers."

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  1. Who in their right mind would go for this? by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'Those snippets -- taken every 30 seconds and altered mathematically so any conversation is made unintelligible

    And of course the folks whose servers this stuff ends up on also have a way to unencode the original soundbite. Even if they say they can't, don't or "would never do such a thing," given the current poor behavior of media / marketing corporations, why trust them?

    1. Re:Who in their right mind would go for this? by Bonker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's fairly straightforward to destructively alter any given sound, as opposed to merely encrypting it.

      That said, as soon as this kind of data is stored anywhere, it will be subpeonaed. Google has recently demonstrated this. If law enforcement officers think they can track people with this technology, they will undoubtedly attempt to.

      Scary scenario:

      Guy picks up his kids from day care. His phone records the sound of screaming children.

      On the way home, he stops by the gym. His kids get to go swimming while he works out. His phone records the sound of grunting and groaning, with children yelling in the distance.

      Obviously, thinks some undertrained, underpaid analyst, this guy is abducting children. He notifies the police...

      It sounds completely improbable, but then again, we've all seen news stories about people who've been arrested for developing pictures taken while bathing their kids.

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    2. Re:Who in their right mind would go for this? by butterwise · · Score: 5, Funny

      "we've all seen news stories about people who've been arrested for developing pictures taken while bathing their kids."

      Anyone who bathes their kids in photo chemicals deserves to be locked up, IMHO.

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    3. Re:Who in their right mind would go for this? by Xaer0cool · · Score: 3, Funny

      Our chemistry teacher let us put the photo developing stuff (AgN03?)on our skin to show us how it would stain black when we exposed it to the sunlight... he told us afterwards that it would take a good long time to come off.

  2. I don't get it. by spazmonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    altered mathematically to make unintellilligible? How exactly, then, do they tell what advertising, programs, and other media you are exposed to? Something here doesn't add up. Mainly, why in the hell would people agree to be carrying around an overt bugging device with the sole stated intent of monitoring thier actions?

    1. Re:I don't get it. by Joseph_V · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One-way hashing would do this relatively easily. Similar to passwords if you hash the original content and then the tested content and they match there is a very high probability that it is the same original content. It is also irreversible (in bounded time).

      Either way I'm not picking one up, I'll go to hand-crank radio and telegrams before I become a beacon of marketing information.

    2. Re:I don't get it. by panaceaa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The business model for this product would likely parallel the business models for online spyware companies, such as Gator/Claria. That is: Give people something they want for free, and then bundle some things they may be okay with having too. For example, maybe this device could be embedded into free iPods? And since many people go everywhere with their iPods, the ad measurement device is always there to do it's thing. Personally I would just buy an iPod on my own, but there are many teenagers who don't have that liberty.

    3. Re:I don't get it. by Otter · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I think it's more like Nielsen boxes -- a demographically meaningful sample of people is paid to carry these things around with them.

      If the hashing scheme people are speculating about is how this works, I'd say that's pretty damn clever, whatever the ethical merits. And honestly, the ethical issues don't strike me as a huge deal. On my list of privacy concerns, knowing whether I'm forced to listen to Holly Jolly Christmas more or less than Here Comes Santa Claus in the supermarket in December doesn't rate extremely high.

      Heh, I bet they can tell when you're in a strip club, though...

  3. Re:Why must they know all this? by temojen · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Can't you just make things people need and find useful and if they need it they'll come to you?

    Yes, but that's not where the money is. The money is in making the consumer dissatisfied and convincing them that your product will satisfy them, then not satisfying them so they'll buy again.

  4. TRMs by mogrify · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sounds kinda like Relatable's TRM fingerprints, which are used by MusicBrainz and in the Neuros audio player.

    IIRC, the fingerprints don't have any actual content in them, but instead describe the characteristics of the audio. So it's plausible, at least, that they can't listen in on your conversations, but could still uniquely identify what you're listening to.

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  5. There are some things you don't want to know... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So if I have lunch at Taco Bell, and go to the restroom when I get back to work, from the sound signature they can figure out how "explosive" the newest menu item is?

  6. Funny sounds by k31bang · · Score: 2

    I'm just curious what Fart sound signatures might mean to advertisers and marketing agencies.

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  7. great. by snark23 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The cell phone industry is a nice counter-example for anyone who insists that a free market is always good for the consumer, unless you redefine "consumer" as "wireless provider". NOBODY wants to carry around a phone that does what this article describes. Even those who aren't concerned about the privacy implications are going to be nonplussed by the fact that their batteries suddenly only last half as long because their phones are so busy processing and transmitting this marketing trash.

    And to broaden my rant: Who are these people who think that playing TV programs and games on a phone is a great idea? Where are these people? I would love to see all of the marketing and R&D dollars poured into these stupid, stupid features go instead into producing smaller phones that have increased range, longer battery life and a user interface not designed by a team of raccoons. Is that so ridiculous?

    1. Re:great. by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Funny

      Have you tried not talking into fans when you are on the phone? Ask your friends to do the same.

  8. Re:From Bad to Worse by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did you miss the previous posting about AT&T delivering network traffic to the NSA, which unsurprisingly comes 2-3 years after all the hubbub about carnivore?

    Did you miss the stories about how MSN, AOL, and Yahoo had no problem turning over whatever information requests the gov't had about search usage?

    I'm not too paranoid, and I don't think the gov't can process this stuff fast enough for it to matter, but don't be naive enough to believe that every major corporation out there respects your privacy. As it is, AT&T owns Cingular. Cingular routes plenty of its cell traffic over AT&T's backbone. I'm sure they've already sent some of your conversations to the NSA.

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  9. Cell Phone Paranoia by Bob3141592 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Today it's Madison Avenue, tomorrow it's DHS.

    I presume most people here have read Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, right? He pointed out decades ago that a phone can still operate even if the user isn't on it -- the phone is a ubiquitous bug, if anybody in control of the technology wants it to be used that way. We already know that cell phones have been used as medium resolution GPS trackers of people. Now we know that they are capable of listening in to our private moments as well.

    It wouldn't take much for the manufacturers to put in enough memory to store random or prescheduled episodes of speech from our environment, even if we thought our phones were off. These could later be transmitted in a burst to some gov't agency and we wouldn't even notice the power drain. And cell phones always remain somewhat enabled, even when the main power is off. It's possible the time could come when the gov't requires manufacturers to build in some kind of continuous monitoring capability in order to be given their licenses to use the airwaves. If they suspect you, or if they suspect they might suspect you, they can remotely enable this mode.

    This all sounds insanely paranoid to me, and now we have to to line our tin-foil hat with acoustic foam? There was a time not long ago when I'd dismiss anyone thinking about such things as a lunatic. But we have enough documented cases of policy corruption to go with the amazing advances in technology capabilities to make this all practical, if not practiced.

    Well, I'm not about to go live as a trapper in the woods, and the technological genie can't be forced back into the bottle. Hopefully we can return to a benign government of the people and avoid the headlong rush into a police state. Now there's a crazy idea!

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  10. IMMI Website by awwaiid · · Score: 2, Informative

    is at http://immi.com/, btw.

  11. Using a cell-phone as a bugging device by infolation · · Score: 2, Informative
    In the UK the remote monitoring of local audio via the microphone using cell-phones (mobiles phones) by the police has been reported in reputable national media since at least mid 2005.

    The Financial Times (requires subscription) ran an article on this subject on 2nd of August 2005 here

    If ordered to do so, mobile telephone operators can also tap any calls, but more significantly they can also remotely install a piece of software on to any handset, without the owner's knowledge, which will activate the microphone even when its owner is not making a call, giving security services the perfect bugging device. "We have inadvertently started carrying our own trackable ID card in the form of the mobile phone," said Sandra Bell, head of the homeland security department at the Royal United Services Institute.

    A reference to this FT article can be found here.

  12. Re:From Bad to Worse by drooling-dog · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'm not too paranoid, and I don't think the gov't can process this stuff fast enough for it to matter,

    They don't have to process it "fast enough for it to matter". It just has to be on file, for whenever it happens that someone with the authority to look at it has a reason to do so. That reason could be legitimate, or maybe not so much. It could even be quite personal, and totally unrelated to the avowed purposes for which the information was gathered in the first place.