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Dell Takes Health Care Online

abb_road writes "Dell will announce today that it will begin offering employees an online system to track health care; the system, which will focus on insurance claims, doctor visits and prescriptions, is expected to improve employees' medical safety while reducing costs. The electronic records are expected to dramatically improve preventative care; employees will receive ongoing alerts for suggested and continuing treatment of health conditions. The system should also improve coordination among health care providers, especially when patients need to see multiple physicians. Other employers are expected to follow Dell's lead; the government 'has estimated that health IT can add $140 billion a year to the productivity of the $2 trillion health care industry.'"

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  1. Old News by thopkins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is nothing new, my health insurance has an online system and so do many others.

    1. Re:Old News by DavidD_CA · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm thinking there may be more to this than just what some of our insurance carriers have today.

      I have PacifiCare and while it has a nice website that lets me do a number of things, it still leaves a lot to desire in terms of collaboration with all the parties concerned.

      If my dentist needs information, it still requires a phone call. Likewise, to book with my doctor, I have to call them or get called back. Bills are still sent via mail, and carrier-vendor communication is horribly archaic. Perhaps this system will improve that.

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  2. I can see it already... by acidblood · · Score: 5, Funny
    employees will receive ongoing alerts for suggested and continuing treatment of health conditions

    Clippy pops up in the corner...

    `It looks like you have cancer. Would you like to book a session of radiotherapy?'
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    1. Re:I can see it already... by eviloverlordx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Clippy pops up in the corner...

      `It looks like you have cancer. Would you like to book a session of radiotherapy?'


      More like: 'Dude! You're getting a colostomy!'

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  3. Which side of the ledger? by monomania · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm always skeptical of blanket prescriptions for health care, or for what IT can and cannot do in the macroeconomic sense to solve a problem. For example, "the government 'has estimated that health IT can add $140 billion a year to the productivity of the $2 trillion health care industry.'" Is that indeed added to the 'productivity' of the industry, or is that added to the cost? The Dell implementation looks innovative (to a degree) and hopefully for them (and their employeees) will show a benefit; but I can already hear the chorus of those who have fought against real reform in the healthcare industry saying that the best solution is throw more IT at the problem. IT has never really worked any better than the proverbial money we used to throw.

  4. Cost Cuts Be Passed Along? by dakirw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd be astonished if the employees ultimately benefit from these automated systems. The only thing that they'd get would be online access to their health records. The employers will say the employees benefit from getting health care in the first place. However, I'm a bit skeptical in this age of cost cutting that these tools won't be used to lump "problem" employees that use lots of coverage and force them into programs that would help the company save a bit of money. Is that legal? And how would the company get the information about the employee interactions with health providers - the insurance company, I'm guessing? It'd be an nightmare to get every doctor and pharmacy to plug into the system.

  5. Represents one of the shifts by tr0tt3r · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Everyone is generally dissatisfied with healthcare in the US, and there lots of people who believe that the accountability that computerized records can enforce could really change things. Now the customers of healthcare (employers) have balloning costs and very little to show that the healthcare they are purchasing is actually effective.

    An obvious question is why proprietary medical software vendors have not addressed this issue already. Part of the reason is that there is no "Microsoft" in the industry. There is no proprietary player large enough to wrangle major IT changes for all of healthcare. This creates an opportunity for open source EMRs (The AMIA open source working group has an Review of Open Source EMRs btw) After all, how would Red Hat fare if there were no Microsoft. This is the opportunity for projects like MirrorMed to grow to be a dominate force.

    Fred Trotter

    1. Re:Represents one of the shifts by tr0tt3r · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Show me System A that can talk to System B using HL7 and I will show you two systems that cannot talk to any other system in the world using HL7. HL7 is a weak standard. It might not be soon, there are lots of work to improve it...

      In a way you have made my point. There is no one company large enough to make HL7 into a solid standard.

      Also, while your comment regarding costs is true, it is also a massive oversimplification. What about drug costs, Fraudlent medical claims, uneeded CYA tests, and ineffecient paper based workflows. Pointing the finger at only one cost problem is unrealistic.

      -FT

  6. Re:I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree by pilgrim23 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would call your atitude "prudent". Here, if no where else, people shoul0d be a wee bit suspect of having their most personal and sensitive information available via the web.
        Avaialble to...whom exactly? -is the question

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  7. This whole thing is marketspeak about an upgrade. by TheMohel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From TFA:

    Dell has offered limited electronic health records since 2004, but the upgrade coming Apr. 20 adds the ability for the system to automatically capture new information about treatments and test results, rather than waiting for the employee to enter the data manually.

    So let me get this straight - this incredible new initiative is actually a lightly-used website, run by WebMD, that Dell employees have had for the past two years. And the newness is that the system can now "electronically" capture results. And Dell trumpets this in a major news release.

    We will set aside the interesting question of how (and whether) WebMD has convinced thousands of independent labs, as well as laboratory giants like LabCorp, to send results to WebMD. We will ignore the HIPAA regulations that will require patients to sign releases with anyone sending results to WebMD. We will overlook the balkanized, backward, and poorly-penetrated electronic medical records world in which these patients' doctors work.

    Even if all of these things were somehow not an issue, does anybody except Dell and WebMD marketing droids really believe that the only thing that was preventing this dramatic breakthrough from revolutionizing medical care for everybody was the lack of a stupid HL-7 interface?

    Oh, wait. Never mind. Check the last part of the article:

    The effort meshes with the federal government's plans to build a national health-information network that would keep electronic data on all Americans' care.

    Yup. Sure. Got it. Tinfoil hats meet blue-sky dreamers, and the result is ugly.

  8. Re:I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree by the_skywise · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If my health insurance provider wanted to provide a one-stop shop website where I could track that, that'd be good.

    It (theoretically) would provide me all the info I need and provide a gateway back to the company about what health information they could get on me.

    Putting the company in-the-loop for this is just a bad idea in terms of privacy. (Although I've been in companies where you had to paper file the insurance claims for doctor's visits through the HR department... though I don't know if that was required or just provided as a convenience)

  9. Re:HIPAA by TheMohel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    HIPAA privacy regulations (there's a lot more to HIPAA than just privacy) don't for one second prevent you from consenting to the disclosure of your health care information to anybody you choose. It's not a "need to know" thing, it's a consent thing. Your consent to certain kinds of transfers (billing from your doctor to the insurance company) is obtained in writing, while your consent to others (your doctor talking to another treating physician) is implied. Your employer is completely free to solicit your consent to keep information about you, and if they offer enough compensation (read: reduced medical premiums), a lot of people will consider it.

    If you consent to giving your employer all or part of your entire medical record, and if your employer has the means and the desire to obtain it, there's no HIPAA protection at all.

    Which doesn't mean that this is what Dell is doing here. In fact, this has nothing to do with what Dell is doing. Dell's press release is just an attempt to dress up a fairly prosaic web service as a "breakthrough" in medical IT, and in so doing inflate the visibility of a fairly minor federal bureaucrat.

  10. the fundamental problem with insurance by nido · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If someone else is paying for my healthcare, why should I care what it costs?

    For example, when my grandmother was dying of cancer, Medicare and her supplemental picked up 95+% of the tab. Her doctor sent her to a nutritionist at first, as a way of acknowledging the mountain of research that proves nutrition is an important part of health. Grandma later said, "she wanted me to eat 5 servings of vegetables a day. She's CRAZY!" The doctor never mentioned nutrition again, and stuck to the high-tech/high-cost treatments he'd been trained in. She died after six months, after having spent $50k+ of other people's money.

    A year ago I started seeing a Doctor of Osteopathy in the Cranial Field for some Osteopathic Manipulation. He works from a home-office, has an answering machine for an assistant, answers all his own messages, and basically does everything himself. He gives me a receipt that I can submit myself for insurance reimbursment, if I so desire. He doesn't accept insurance because a) he'd need an employee to handle the billing b) his practice is full regardless c) many insurances are likely to disallow his kind of therapy, or pay him pennies on the dollar.

    In January I decided to see a homeopathic M.D. to see if there was something I could do about my cold hands. After taking an extensive history, he decided that my autonomic nervous system was probably out of balance, and injected me with novocain (same as what dentists use to numb the mouth) in a couple locations. He also gave me a couple of homeopathic remedies, and some fish oil/vitamin E at the next visit. I'm out $400 or $500 for his services, and am totally pleased with the results. He doesn't bill insurance either, also because it's not worth his time.

    If I'd gone the conventional route, my insurance would've had to spend $2000 or $5000 on diagnostic tests (an MRI goes for $1000, and CAT scans aren't cheap either), $20,000 on hand surgery/whatever, and I still would've had the problem. As it is, I've spent approx $5,000 with the D.O., and I'm totally satisfied because the treatment program works.

    Health Insurance should be carried for accidents, because you never know when you might have a $40,000 medical bill (like me, 8 years ago: a helicopter flight, a plane flight, a cat scan or two, 10 days in the hospital, etc...). But we should all pay our way, for the costs associated with living.

    Modern Medicine has evolved with almost univeral insurance coverage, so our doctors have the mindset of "if cost were no object, what would I do?" (this is not a concious thing, but a mindset that gets passed from generation to generation of medical professionals) Which explains why there are so many $60,000 heart bypass surgeries being done, even though some researchers say that bypass surgery belongs in the medical archives, because it is almost universally incompatible with the patient's long-term outcome. I clipped a story from the paper a few weeks back about a guy who died in his 50's, 3 weeks after having a bypass operation. Re-plumbing the heart while ignoring the rest of the vascular system seems like a foolish way to go about attaining health. But it makes the heart surgeon wealthy, so why should he do anything else?

    See also:
    100 years of Medical Robery
    Real Medical Freedom

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    1. Re:the fundamental problem with insurance by Mean+Variance · · Score: 2, Informative
      In January I decided to see a homeopathic M.D. to see if there was something I could do about my cold hands. After taking an extensive history, he decided that my autonomic nervous system was probably out of balance ...

      Isn't "homeopathic M.D." an oxymoron? As long as we're throwing links around here are some about homeopathy:

      Homeowatch (cousin of Quackwatch)
      The Skeptic's Dictionary

      And if you want to spew anecdotes, when my dad was in his early 60's he could barely walk across a room without being out of breath and had had a minor heart attack. With 4 weeks preparation with drugs and diet to prep for major surgery, he went through a triple bypass operation. After the recovery of a few months the results were astounding.

      Bypass operations are not to be taken lightly, but that doesn't mean there aren't successful results.

    2. Re:the fundamental problem with insurance by fprintf · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well it seems you are a perfect candidate for the "new" HRA and HSAs that the health insurance industry is going on about. Each person gets a small account that they can use however they wish.

      With HSAs, which are US Federally qualified, you can deduct any expense that falls within IRS 213(d). Which means you can deduct chiropractice, homeopathic, eyeglasses or even massages. But the faster you deplete your account, the faster you are on your own to pay the other bills until the catastrophic coverage kicks in.

      HRAs and HSAs are the new "medicine" for the broken healthcare system. Unfortunately the HMO mess created by those crazy Californians has left most American employees used to paying for healthcare with someone else's money. So few people are going to willingly accept being responsible, once again, for buying decisions regarding their healthcare.

      This is, in a way, back to the past for this society. Back in the 50s when health insurance was a brand new way to attract and retain quality employees it was very much a pay as you go system. And the co-insurance was typically a straight 20%... so people paid very close attention to how much the doctor or hospital was charging them since that 20% was a really big hit on the wallet.

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    3. Re:the fundamental problem with insurance by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Manipulation and homeopathic "medicine" often "work" because of the placebo effect.

      If such treatments really worked (in double-blind, scientific tests) then they would just be called "medicine" without any qualifiers.

      You're right: spending big money on treating people who are days from death may not be a good use of economic resources. But referring them to quacks is certainaly NOT the solution.

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