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The Future of the PDA

An anonymous reader writes "XYZComputing is taking a look at the future of the PDA and what obstacles might stand in the way of continued popularity. From the article: 'While is hard not to appreciate the PDA's ability to change with the times, it appears that its heady days of mobile dominance are coming to an abrupt end. A number of factors are competing in the mobile products field right now, all of which are vying for the same buyers. The most formidable competition to the PDA is the smartphone, but there is also pressure from small laptops, the upcoming UMPC, increasingly capable cell phones, and a few other takers, like portable media players.'"

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  1. The Original UMPC by BWJones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wrote a couple of articles about where I thought the PDA might be going back in 2002 and 2005. Specifically, I'd suppose (hope) that it might see a resurgence through the iPod phenomenon.

    We really have not seen a whole lot of innovation in the PDA market aside from color screens and somewhat faster CPUs since Palm and then Microsoft entered the market. The first device that truly works as an assistant that is affordable will, like Palm did in the 90's take over the market again. Phone use will be required, but could easily function with a Bluetooth earpiece. It will have to have a big enough screen in portrait or landscape mode to surf the web (surfing the web on my Tungsten T3 sucks), will have to be able to plug into a projector and deliver Keynote (or Powerpoint) presentations, read and annotate pdf's, have an honest 4-5hr battery life (ideally more, but this will depend upon new battery technology or fuel cells), be rugged, have a decent way to enter information through a keyboard (real or virtual) and be reasonably affordable.

    The Newton was the original UMPC and did many things very well (including handwriting recognition in the 110 and up), but were waaaay too expensive for their time. I had a 110 and a 120 that I used for years before they simply could not keep up, but that form factor is still ideal. Put a color screen in it, run OS X on a flash drive along with global band cell phone connectivity, 802.11 and Bluetooth and if you can sell it for $700-800 or so, you have the ideal PDA. That may be cutting the margins thin, but if Apple could sell it along with .Mac subscription/connectivity to enable syncing with your desktop/laptop and provide a cell phone service implemented like iChat, I suspect it could be highly profitable.

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    1. Re:The Original UMPC by TommyBlack · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It seems like there are a lot of things that PDA's should do but they don't. I have a Palm Tungsten E, and I keep thinking it should be more useful. For instance, the other day I needed some information I had on my USB flash drive, but I had nothing handy it could interface with; shouldn't this be the job of my PDA? Doesn't anyone who designs these things have this kind of inspiration?

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    2. Re:The Original UMPC by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am of the opinion that USB flash drives are lame. Mind you, I have one on my keychain, and I use it, but that's only because I got it for free. The only kind that makes sense is the kind that's got a SD card (or similar) in it, and it's really just a tiny card reader. This was a lot less true when we didn't have access to $5 card readers, though. I got a several-in-one card reader (it says 7 in 1 or something, but it has four slots, they must be counting SD and MMC separately or something, which makes little sense) for free with my digital camera (from geeks.com) and you can buy them retail for under $20. You can order 'em off the 'net for practically nothing any day of the week. Also, many laptops now come with a memory card slot; usually this is SD/MMC, unless it's a sony.

      It doesn't make much sense to me to have storage tied to a particular interface. At the same time, it is absolutely retarded that PDAs are commonly USB clients, but not USB hosts. There are existing silicon solutions that let a device be both, and if a PDA is supposed to be a computer, it should be a USB host. My PDA, which was $200 as a refurb, is a 400MHz ARM (xscale) with 64MB RAM. That's more powerful than the first three computers I had with USB (though not all of them put together.)

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    3. Re:The Original UMPC by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Simple solution is to get a PDA that takes SD cards, and carry around the USB reader. That's what I do. My PDA also has some third-party usb replacement drivers that turn the PDA into a keychain. Switch them on, connect to USB and your PDAs storage areas appear as mapped drives without any need for drivers in the OS.

      Or you could try this amazing little SD card that has a built in USB connector. One of the cleverest ideas of 2005 IMHO.

      At the same time, it is absolutely retarded that PDAs are commonly USB clients, but not USB hosts.

      Agreed. There are many devices that would be awesome hooked up to a PDA. Bluetooth will take on this function in the future I reckon.

  2. New PocketPCs stink by kimvette · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The current crop of PocketPCs stink. I'm anxious to upgrade, but here is what I am finding:

      - NONE offer PCMCIA support (rendering my 5GB HDD useless)
      - If you want 128MB or more of RAM, the highest resolution you will get is quarter-VGA (320x240)
      - If you want VGA (640x480) resolution, the most RAM you'll get is 64MB
      - Lack of accessories (e.g., high capacity batteries)

    Thanks to Carly Fiorina canning the iPaq line (she basically brought back the inferior Journada line) expansion capability of the PocketPC is nil, and the quality has only gone downhill. I'm glad she got fired but she managed to kill the PocketPC platform just as it was gaining steam. I still use my 3670 but I need more RAM, higher resolution, a faster CPU, and expansion capability. :(

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    1. Re:New PocketPCs stink by biostatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have re-discovered my old iPaq, and am finding it to be great! With MythTV + mencoder + TCPMP + 1GB CF I can take recorded TV with me to watch on the train (+ listen to Podcasts). I can read all of my Palm DOCs and Avantgo content. It still can sync Calendar fine w/ Outlook/Exchange. I upgraded to a high capacity Lithium Polymer battery for ~$20 on Ebay and get good battery life. I can put in PCMCIA sleeve, connect w/ WiFi and play MP3s off of the slimserver at home. With all the hoopla over PMPs etc... my 5 (?) year old PDA still has plenty of life in it and in many ways is more useful than many of the gadgets people are spending bundles on today.

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    2. Re:New PocketPCs stink by benzapp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Windows Mobile 5 has its issues... but the memory design is now totally different. PRevious versions of WIndows CE used main memory for storing files AND program execution. It was never really 128 megs of ram, it was whatever you set as memory allocation (usually 64/64 for most people)

      Now, that is no longer the case. All files are stored on regular flash memory, and main memory is used for program execution only. My Dell Axim X51v, which has a VGA screen, comes with 192megs of flash memory built in. That is quite a bit.

      Anyway... It works well enough. I'd prefer a slightly bigger form factor though. I don't need a PDA to be smaller than my hand. If it was about 50% bigger, I'd be real happy.

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  3. Maybe a future, but more as a small UMPC by kbob88 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think there is a market for PDAs, but not as they are currently configured.

    Most of the current uses of a PDA will probably be ceded to smartphones (calendar, address book, tasklist, calculator, MP3 player, etc).

    The one advantage that a PDA could have is that its form factor has traditionally been small enough to be truly portable and almost large enough that tasks that are next to impossible on phones' small screens (e.g., surfing the Web, using interactive applications) can actually be performed on them without too much user frustration.

    Who really likes using the Internet on a phone? Does anyone think that tablet PCs are really that portable (without a laptop bag)?

    Therefore I think there would be a market for PDAs with good sized screens and Wifi/cellular data connections. People would use them as an appliance to surf the Internet and for other applications that required more screen real estate than a phone has. The real killer machine would be about the size of a checkbook (so it fits in your pocket) and flips open to reveal two screens that fit up against each other almost seamlessly, thus doubling screen size.

    I think UMPCs are too big, and smartphones too small to be truly portable yet usable Internet appliances. PDAs could fit that niche (thus blurring the distinction between them and UMPCs).

  4. What about portable gaming devices? by saifrc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Compare the installed base of PDAs (either by model, by manufacturer, or by the class of devices as a whole) to the installed base of portable gaming devices (GameBoy, et. al.), and you might see *one* possible direction for the PDA. Previously, games were popular on a PDA, but the limitations (speed, memory, battery life, etc.) made it evident that portable gaming on a PDA wasn't enough to keep the PDA craze alive as we knew it. The Nintendo DS, though, is already starting to look more and more like a PDA every day: there's a homebrew organizer (http://www.youngmx.com/?loc=ndsdev/DSOrganize), a Linux project (http://dslinux.org/), and even a game that features puzzles aimed at/successful with older people (http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=tYVqJgro- KG6QL_mMbXFoQTkQIzgi9nU). The fact that it has touch/stylus input and 802.11b is enough to get one's mental gears turning at the possible confluence of a gaming idiom and personal information management idiom in a single device. Perhaps the change will come from the other direction. As millions and millions more Nintendo DS units (and Sony PSP units, for that matter) are sold, we may get a population of generally older, more sophisticated portable gamers who demand a bit more functionality from their handheld devices -- the very same functionality that a stripped-down, basic PDA would have provided. Instead of a feature-rich-but-mostly-underused PDA that can play games, we might have a gaming-device-that-also-holds-my-calendar that can read e-mails. And I guarantee you that there are more GameBoys out there than Palms.

  5. iPAQ hw6515 is a step in the right direction by pawsa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    iPAQ hw6515 is a step in the right direction: it is a PDA with an ability to make phone calls. It has PocketPC OS with its advantages and disadvantages. You can make phone calls, surf the web, listen to MP3s, send e-mails, take photos and find out where you are - yes, it has a GPS module, too. The "qwerty" keyboard is quite handy and beats T9 systems without a doubt. The software has few quirks and takes few days to learn. Setting up secure email submission is difficult if not outright impossible but I guess this was never MS priority.

  6. PDA? by Ivan+Pistoff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Doesn't PDA stand for Portable Digital Assistant? If you're cell phone is digital and it assists you in some way isn't it then a PDA? Same with laptops and media players. How can they "compete" with PDA's when them themselves are PDA's? Stupid....

  7. Re:But there will always be buyers......... by binarybum · · Score: 3, Interesting

    that's why I bought mine, but I evolved and now use it as much as a PDA as a GPS. I hope this article is wrong, but I fear that the ubiquity of the cellphone and the well recognized need for integration of portable devices will push the format more towards a phone form and less toward a PDA. This is a shame as the PDA is in my opinion a far better interface and could easily accommodate gps, bluetooth phone, media player, and simple camera functions.

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  8. Re:The PDA is dead! Long live the PDA! by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't disagree with anything you say, but I do want to say that basically all cellphones made today have more processing power than an original palm pilot, which had a 16MHz Dragonball CPU, from the days when the dragonball was based on the 68000. My Motorola V300, which is a well-outdated phone, was middle of the road when I Got it and has a 206 MHz 32 bit RISC processor and an ATI graphics coprocessor which handles the camera and which does 2d graphics acceleration. Even my crappy little suppository-sized Siemens phone before that had Java, though it was much more limited - still, it implies a certain amount of processor power, probably at least 40MHz and probably 32 bit. Probably almost no cellphones have floating point, but since there's integer implementations of just about every codec we care about (including mp3, ogg, mpeg4 in particular DivX, and so on) that's not much of a show-stopper. With the right software (that from the V500, which is precisely the same phone but with bluetooth and different software) the V300 can even shoot video at some minuscule resolution and encode it using mpeg4. My phone has 5MB flash available, where my upgraded palm pro had only 2MB. My phone has only about 262x144 resolution (Forget the precise, but those numbers sound kind of right) but it's something between 12 and 16 bit color, transflective, and I can play video on it. I remember playing the craptacular monochrome video clips on palm that were functional only as a demo of what the hardware could[n't] do...

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  9. Re:Defining Your Terms by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Some people won't work on anything smaller than 10", some people will watch TV on a video iPod and call it good because it fits in their pocket. I think this is less a problem with technology that a hurdle created by personal preference.

    Know what I want? Components! Make a variety of displays that are basically thin clients (via X11-over-Bluetooth? RDP? Whatever, just as long as it's the standard). Make a variety of processing units. Make a variety of input devices. Make a variety of speaker/headphone/microphone units. Most importantly, make multiple brands work together seamlessly. Convergence? I want divergence by piecing together the set of interoperable parts that fit the way I want to use them!

    In my dream setup, I sit down at a public access point and get my 8" screen and compact keyboard out of my bag. That's it. I'm set up and ready to use it. They both talk wirelessly to the real processor which is squirreled away in my messenger bag and only sees the light of day when I need to recharge it. If a cell or VOIP call comes in, it's automatically transferred to my wireless earpiece.

    Us geeks will always have the iPod-sized processing equivalent of an overclocked Celeron, but Joe Businessman can buy a quad-Xeon unit and car battery on wheels to power it. Maybe I'm just going to the grocery store, so I'd only take the 3" touchscreen (so I can mark off my shopping list as I go). Have to give a presentation? Bind to the projector client in the conference room until it's over.

    I truly think this is the future. I want a cheap Dell processing box that never leaves my shirt pocket, or beltclip, or whatever. I want a nice Samsung client to display it's output. I want a Happy Hacking portable keyboard for input. See, ever since Palm discontinued the IIIxe, their hasn't been a single model of PDA from any manufacturer that covers all the features I want. Dell might not make as much per individual item by selling the components separately, but I truly believe that they'd make a killing by hawking vast numbers of the smaller pieces. No PC maker that I know of sells monolithic PC-screen-keyboard-mouse desktop units, but that's exactly how they expect you to buy your portable electronics.

    Wake up, Apple and Dell! There's a whole untapped market of people who'd love to customize their PDAs, particularly those people who have never used one (start off with a cheap CPU and upgrade it later if you like it). And the thing is that all of the hardware, software, wireless tech, and protocols are in common use that could make this happen today.

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  10. Problem with PDA USB Hosts - battery power by blorg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the issues with being a USB host is that PDAs generally don't have the battery capacity to supply USB power. The Nokia 770 (great device BTW), for example, can act as a USB host but will only work with powered peripherals (which excludes thumb drives) unless you use a powered hub in the middle.

    Obviously having to lug around a powered hub or search for a wall socket for your peripherals limits the usefulness somewhat. (Although there is a niche of battery-powered USB hubs.)