AT&T Seeks to Hide Spy Docs

UltimaGuy writes to mention a Wired article about some AT&T documents that have gone off the farm. An ex-employee provided some information to the EFF, to assist in their wiretapping case against the company. Ma Bell is now arguing the files are confidential, and shouldn't be used in a court case. From the article: "The documents, which the EFF filed under a temporary seal last Wednesday, purportedly detail how AT&T diverts internet traffic to the National Security Agency via a secret room in San Francisco and allege that such rooms exist in other AT&T switching centers."

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no fourth amendment protections here.

[taumeson]

If a civilian has the docs, they can go after him, but there's no fourth amendment protections here. It'd take somebody in the administration classifying them to make them officially restricted.

Just cause AT&T doesn't want them out there doesn't mean squat.

Solution: Philip Zimmermann's Zfone

[eldavojohn]

You may recall that Philip Zimmermann was the subject of a criminal investigation over ten years ago over a little asymmetric key encryption program he wrote and made available online.

Recently, he has worked to give the world a very simple program that will encrypt voice communications for any SIP VoIP. It's called Zfone and this news about AT&T working with the NSA covertly is all the more reason you should use it.

I believe Slashdot covered Zfone's release a month ago.

As an American, I value my anonymity and ability to communicate without concern of eaves dropping very highly. I hope to see some VoIP services possibly use Zfone or some level of encryption as a default out of the box feature in the future. If you're concerned for your privacy, read up on Zfone and find out how easy it is to use!

Re:Solution: Philip Zimmermann's Zfone

[CRCulver]

It's good to see that Zimmerman believes strongly in making the source code available. When PGP was first released, Zimmerman disseminated the source as widely as possible, even having it printed and bound. One of the reasons PGP went downhill after it was taken over by a large corporation was the decision to give customers a security product with no way of knowing it was secure.

Hold

[wombatmobile]

The EFF declined to comment on the filing, while AT&T did not return a call seeking comment.

The call was placed in a queue while all available agents were attending to other customers.

Re:Hold

[wombatmobile]

The call was placed in a queue while all available agents were attending to other customers.

This is known as the "far queue".

Doesn't help fight terrorism

[elrous0]

The problem is that stuff like this DOES NOT help fight terrorism, as the NSA would content. It just makes it even harder to find the important intelligence, because it's drowned out by all the noise.

-Eric

Re:Doesn't help fight terrorism

[Anonymous Coward]

The problem is that stuff like this DOES NOT help fight terrorism, as the NSA would content. It just makes it even harder to find the important intelligence, because it's drowned out by all the noise.

First, this does help fight terrorism iff ALL traffic goes through it, and the terrorist uses it.

Now, with that said, what makes you think that this limited to ATT? Because people on /. have not seen it? because EFF has not found all the evidence?

Next what is making people think that Al Qaeda, who received CIA training (thanks to reagan) to survive, does not know that they will be monitored and is actively not on the wire?

The problem is that this system is targeted at terrorism, but with the patriot act, it allows all this power to actively be used against americans. Worse, we have now seen that the white house consists of cowards, liars, and traitors. There is no doubt that they are using this system for their personal use. If nothing else, do you remember the East Coast Democrat mayor who was being tracked? There is a LOT of circumstanstial evidence of the feds using all this against Americans. By itself, no big deal. By taken as a whole, and it should be apparent that we are not the land of the free, but we are recruiting the USSR but with capitalism thrown in.

Re:Doesn't help fight terrorism

[typical]

The problem is that this system is targeted at terrorism, but with the patriot act, it allows all this power to actively be used against americans.

History teaches us that this should not be a surprise. Give the federal government excessive police powers ("But we need to hunt *communists*!") and they *will* abuse it.

Hitler was ahead of his time. We already tried claiming that we needed expanded police powers to hunt "communists". Now we're claiming that we need them to hunt "terrorists". Hitler just took the Reichstag fire and demanded more powers because he needed to hunt "communist terrorists".

Re:Doesn't help fight terrorism

[meringuoid]

The problem is that stuff like this DOES NOT help fight terrorism, as the NSA would content.

No, that's not the problem. The problem is that they're spying on their own people as a matter of course, eavesdropping on our communications, reading our mail.

Whether or not it helps fight terrorism is irrelevant. Even if it could prevent another September 11th, it would still be unacceptable.

So what?

[Billosaur]

AT&T is seeking the return of technical documents presented in a lawsuit that allegedly detail how the telecom giant helped the government set up a massive internet wiretap operation in its San Francisco facilities.

In papers filed late Monday, AT&T argued that confidential technical documents provided by an ex-AT&T technician to the Electronic Frontier Foundation shouldn't be used as evidence in the case and should be returned.

Big whoop. Copy the documents and hand them back to AT&T. What's the problem? Now that the genie is out of the secret room, so to speak, how does AT&T think this is going to help? They've just received a pretty severe black eye, though most of the public really doesn't know the details, despite the publicity. If I were AT&T, I'd maintain a low profile -- raising a fuss only makes more people get interested in what's in the documents.

This proves it, of course.

[Malor]

The submitter didn't point out that if AT&T is claiming the documents are trade secrets, that means they're accurate. Made-up documents wouldn't be trade secrets.

In other words, AT&T has just admitted that they are spying on you.

Re:This proves it, of course.

[tweakt]

In other words, AT&T has just admitted that they are spying on you.

Sorry, but that's bullshit.

Defending your privacy has nothing to do with admitting guilt. Do you think there could possibly be trade secrets in those documents somehow unrelated to the charges against AT&T?

A good example here might be a court trying to admit as evidence your complete credit card purchase history in an attempt to prove acts of terrorism. Even if there was *nothing* in there linking you to terrorism, you might seriously object to the disclosure of it, would you not? And I just love double standard concept of law... Should have two versions of the law, one where corporations are Guilty until proven innocent?

I'd love to see them nailed against the wall as much as the next guy, but let's not become hypocrits in the process, ok? AT&T has the right to contest public disclosure of internal documents as much as you do.

Time for the Telco Mind Trick.

[Zephyros]

*waves hand* "These are not the documents you are looking for."

Echelon

[Ceriel Nosforit]

Echelon. I'm surprised no one has mentioned so far.

More info, for those who has never heard of it before:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

Confidentiality

[Rob T Firefly]

Ma Bell is now arguing the files are confidential, and shouldn't be used in a court case.

I feel for AT&T, I really do. I mean, how would I feel if someone decided to use all those confidential dead hookers in my personal, private basement as some sort of "evidence" in some "trial?" I'd be shocked, I tell you. Shocked.