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Sun DReaM Finds Home In IPTV

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the someone-likes-the-idea dept.

An anonymous reader writes "The Register has a story reporting that Sun's DRM will find a home in a Korean IPTV system. From the article: "This week Sun released the source code for two components of DReaM, its DReaM-CAS (Conditional Access System) and DReaMMMI (Mother May I) the underlying mechanism for always asking a central resource for permission to access content. In papers that Sun put out this week it has described both of these processes. DReaMCAS or D-CAS currently only manages access to content in the MPEG-2 format."

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  1. Catch-phrase by Joebert · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hope their catch-phrase isn't going to be Keep Dreaming.

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  2. IPTV canonical error message... by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Funny
    > Error. Nothing for you to see here.

    Please purchase a subscription to access the content.

  3. DRM and GNOME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sun also has a "customer" in Fluendo... the company set up to develop GStreamer... the media framework in GNOME. Fluendo have committed to the whole DRM shebang. Locked down kernels, trusted computing, and DRM built in to Gstreamer (and hence, GNOME). And Sun, a full-blown member and devotee of The Trusted Computing Group with it's DRM hardware.

    Lovely thought isn't it.

    All that corporate involvement in GNOME was worth it, wasn't it? I mean... now that we've a got DRMed desktop that is completely controlled and developed by three corporations and a few small businesses around edges.

    1. Re:DRM and GNOME by Dolda2000 · · Score: 2, Informative
      DRM built in to Gstreamer (and hence, GNOME).
      Somehow, I'm just having a very hard time believing this to its full extent. DRM needs a full chain of trust, complete down to the BIOS, to even stand a chance of being effective, and since GStreamer (and GNOME) are seldomly, if ever, run on "trusted" kernels, it just seems completely and utterly pointless to implement DRM in GStreamer.

      That being said, I can't deny that the work is being done. If anyone's interested, here's a link to the announcement. The short version seems to be that "we have no control over if people will be using DRM anyway, so we're implementing it in the hopes that it will never be used, just so that GStreamer won't be dumped over lack of DRM support".

  4. Open Source DRM is like... by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... a car with a Plexiglass hood that's glued shut. You can see, but you can't fix.

    1. Re:Open Source DRM is like... by Dolda2000 · · Score: 4, Informative
      Open source simply means that anyone may look at the code, not necessarily that you have complete rights to do anything with it.
      I have no idea whence you got that idea, but the people who coined the term "Open Source" seem to think otherwise. From The Open Source Definition:
      3. Derived Works

      The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of the original software.

    2. Re:Open Source DRM is like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      DReaM appears to be exploiting what you might call a loophole in the OSD. You're allowed to modify the source code, but you're not allowed to run the modified code in any useful way.

  5. WHHYHHYHY! by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why are customers paying for the extra costs of DRM?

    How many times do these people have to be told, DRM can't work, at least not the way they want.

    (shudder) to quote Bruce Schneier, you can't make water unwet, you can't make bits uncopyable.

    STOP STOP STOP.

    The only crypto should be authentication, as in, I the user want to be protected from fraud.

    That and I don't really see the worth. Not a lot of TV is worth seeing once let alone twice.

    Tom

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    1. Re:WHHYHHYHY! by discordja · · Score: 2, Informative

      it was called the Darknet and the Future of Content Distribution

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  6. You Don't Get It by turgid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do you?

    No one in Sun "believes" in this DRM stuff. They just do it because theu have to to play in the pointy-haired Western markets. They make it Open Source to make a point.

    When Digial Restrictions Management puffs and wheezes its last breath in a few months, Sun will calmly pick up from where it left off, as it has always done, as if it hadn't happened.

    The enigineers in Sun know what they are doing, and they keep the PHBs beaten into shape. Mark my words.

    This is just Sun playing ball with the suits in the short term.

    In the mean time, I urge you Slashbots to learn how to use a compiler.

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    1. Re:You Don't Get It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When Digial Restrictions Management puffs and wheezes its last breath in a few months, Sun will calmly pick up from where it left off, as it has always done, as if it hadn't happened.

      No, *you* don't get it. DRM isn't going anywhere... you want to know why? It's because it has fuck all to do with music and video copying now. It did once, but not anymore.

      DRM/Trusted Computing is about controlling what applications can run... and using the hardware to lock data to a particular piece (or pieces of code, "Trusted code" in fact). The technology companies know that how much power this will give them -- for a start, it gvies them the tools for perfect vendor lock-in, and the ability to run code in secret unanswerable to anyone. Furthermore, it allows them to virtually eliminate software piracy (apps are just DIGITAL (the 'D' in DRM) data to the operating system). It puts them in the driving seat and denies root access to the machines of the general public. It will give them an enormous and perpetual control over the entire computing infrastructure, should they get it implemented in its current form.

      So no... DRM isn't going anywhere... and no... there's not a single tech company that is going to back off from this without a massive backlash.

    2. Re:You Don't Get It by Tim+C · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When Digial Restrictions Management puffs and wheezes its last breath in a few months

      Well now, that's a nice thought, but I can't see it happening. Truth is that we've had DRM in one form or another on computers for at least 20 years, and it's not just going to disappear no matter how much you may wish it.

      (For the purposes of this discussion, I am including copy prevention measures such as having to type in a given word on a given page of the manual, or using a hardware dongle, Elite's Lens-lok, etc - they're "Rights Management" in that they seek to enforce the copyright holder's right to be the only one prodcuing copies, and they're certainly applied to digital products)

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  7. MPEG-4 content, MPEG-2 transport by bunkport · · Score: 3, Informative

    It will only work for MPEG-2 transport, not MPEG-2 content. The content will be MPEG-4 since bandwidth's scarce.

  8. Avoid te knee-jerk reaction... by caudron · · Score: 2

    I know there will be the inevitable "DRM is teh suX0rs" and "Sun is teh eVi1 for making it", but the Sun model is different enough to warrant a second look:

    http://www.sun.com/2005-1025/feature/

    I'm NOT a fan of DRM---including Sun's---but as DRM goes, Sun's is less honerous than most. Read the details before commenting, as they may surprise you. They address some of the more common complaints about DRM. Again, I'm still against it, but there's somethig to be said about being against it for the right reasons.

    Tom Caudron
    http://tom.digitalelite.com/technology.html

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    1. Re:Avoid te knee-jerk reaction... by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The important questions are these:

      (a) Does the DRM system prevent users from making fair use of protected content? (Shifting content in time, space, format)
      (b) Does the DRM system enforce additional non-piracy-related restrictions on the end user at the behest of the content industry? (Region codes, preventing use of things like track skip/fast forward/other remote control buttons)
      (c) Does the DRM system continually depend on an external authority which, if it were ever to become defunct, would effectively revoke the rights of the user to access the content? (And, can that external authority track the usage habits of the end user?)

      While (c) here is an implementation detail that has implications concerning things the content industry would like to be able to do, (a) and (b) are make-or-break issues which apply to all DRM. That is, if (a) and (b) are true, then the DRM system is just as oppressive (perhaps even more so) than the DRM we're already afflicted with, regardless of the platforms that the DRM is available on or the open-source-ness of the scheme. But if (a) and (b) are false, then the content industry won't use them.

      From the article you linked:

      We believe in content owners' rights to control their creations as they see fit. And consumers have the right that if those systems are onerous, they just don't have to buy them. So the fair usage issue gets sorted out by the market. - Glenn Edens, Director, Sun Labs

      This is a foolhardy assumption. The entire reason that the content industry plays the way they do is to ensure that there is no consumer choice when it comes to DRM. They use the legislature to enforce particular DRM schemes on the public. They collude in I-can't-see-how-this-is-legal associations to ensure that whatever DRM scheme is used is burdened with licensing terms to prevent electronics manufacturers from making playback devices that permit the full scope of fair use or that don't impose non-piracy restrictions on the end user, and those licensing restrictions are given teeth by the even-more-broken patent system. Even the biggest duel of the new millennium - Blu-Ray versus HD-DVD - laid to rest the question of DRM fairly early when both format consortia announced they were using AACS. And none of this is motivated solely (or even primarily) by piracy - the real goals here are to be able to track the end user, to manipulate the international content market, and to force the end user to watch advertising.

  9. What a lawsuit-prone name! by Stormwatch · · Score: 2, Funny

    "DReaM-CAS"? Where did I hear that before... *ahem*

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  10. No sir I dont like it. by Bruha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I dont want my content phoning home every time I play it. If I want to watch debbie does dallas 100 times a day that's my business and not theirs.

    Next thing you'll know if you watch CNN too much you'll get republican are great email and snail mail and if you watch Fox News the democrats will be trying to swing you back.

    Or if you watch only shows showing violence you'll be flagged for special security at travel terminals.

    This can be abused way too much. Corporations do not protect our security if there's a dime to be made off selling your information.