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Dvorak Avocates Open Sourcing OS X

xzvf writes "Dvorak claims OS X and Apple in trouble. He suggests open sourcing OS X for an epic battle with Linux. In many ways, this is just insane rambling, but it's certainly entertaining on some levels." From the article: "That would make the battle between OS X and Linux the most interesting one on the computer scene. With all attention turned in that direction, there would be nothing Microsoft could do to stem a reversal of its fortunes. Let's start at the beginning. There's been a lot of fuss over Apple's rollout of the unsupported Boot Camp product, which lets Mac users run Microsoft Windows easily on an Intel-based Macintosh. I got into various levels of trouble when I suggested that Apple was going to gravitate towards Windows since it would be easy to do and there was some evidence that the company might want to do it."

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  1. "In many ways, this is just insane rambling." by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'nuff said.

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  2. Epic battle with Linux? by baadger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How would open sourcing OS X make an epic battle with Linux? If anything, asuming the license was favourable, it would only benefit Linux and projects like KDE and Gnome, wouldn't it?

  3. Moronity by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I got into various levels of trouble when I suggested that Apple was going to gravitate towards Windows since it would be easy to do and there was some evidence that the company might want to do it.

    No there wasn't.

    Getting OS X onto PCs might be even more doable today, since researchers are reporting that as many as half of the business-owned PCs in operation now may not be capable of running Microsoft Vista.

    And any random crap hardware that can't run Vista should have no trouble running Mac OS X! Piece of cake.

    The Boot Camp product is pure test marketing. It's so obviously test marketing that it's hard to believe that people are foolish enough to get worked up about it.

    Yes, Apple announced that this functionality will be built into the next version of Mac OS X, because they want to wait and see how people react before they decide whether it's a good idea. Because if they had already decided it was a good idea, they would have done something differently.

    Does Windows works well on Mac hardware, or not? The idea here is to put it into the wild and see what happens in a support-free environment where Apple has no responsibility to help make it work.

    Does Windows work well on PC hardware, or not? That's debatable, but obviously Apple thinks they can make it work just as well on Mac hardware. Does it yet? No. That's why Boot Camp is in beta. There are bugs they need to work out. Some of them are documented.

    Apple needs to analyze the reaction to Windows on a Mac. This includes seeing whether there is massive rejection of the idea--protests, picketing, egg-throwing, and flaming. In other words, can the community at large live with the idea of Windows running on a Mac? That cannot be known or assumed without this test.

    Nope, it can't be known. Absolutely no way to even guess. It's not like you could ask people. You know, take a survey. And I mean a real one, not PC Magazine's equivalent of a Slashdot poll.

    Much of the positive reaction, though, seems to stem from the mistaken supposition that having Windows on a Mac will make OS X look better by comparison, so people will flock to OS X.

    Really? That's not the reaction I've been hearing. The two reactions I've been hearing are:
    • I've never used Mac OS X and I don't know if I'll like it; now if I buy a Mac and don't like the OS, I can rest assured that I can switch back to Windows without ditching the hardware.
    • I prefer Mac OS X but I have to use Windows for work (or gaming); now instead of buying a PC to get my work done (or play my games) and being stuck in XP all the time, I can buy a Mac instead, run XP when I need to work (or want to play), then spend the rest of my time running a better OS.


    I didn't bother continuing to the next page.
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  4. Re:This doesn't make any sense by McDutchie · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Nobody buys Mac because of the hardware no matter what they say.

    So says you. Have you ever seen recent Mac hardware from nearby (and I mean recent as in less than five years old)? It's not just beautiful, it's solid and durable. Look inside one and the attention to detail seems immediately obvious. I have never seen a PC box or laptop that comes close, although some try.

    Yeah, so I'm an Apple fanboi. Sosumi.

  5. Do your part ! by IamGarageGuy+2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I did my part by not actually clicking on the link and giving it one more page hit.

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  6. Re:Open up Cocoa (not going to happen) by Moby+Cock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think Jobs wants to dominate.

    Apple has very carefully created a boutique quality to their products. This was a calculated move. To strive for dominance would bring much of the hip-and-cool aspects of Mac culture to an end.

  7. I am really not sure why this is news by BluhDeBluh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dvorak just likes to make inane random predictions that never, and I mean never, come true. His column inches are dedicated to shots in the dark which don't deserve the time of day. He's a troll with a website who claims to be an expert, and loves making wilder and crazier predictions with a distinct Apple fetish

    Apple has the best sales they've ever had, they have no reason to open source it, and it's just... nonsense to anyone.

    Looking at Slashdot posts he thinks
    * Apple is going to move to Windows
    * Microsoft should buy Opera
    * Apple are promoted by news people more than they are used
    * the Creative Commons license is worth trashing
    * That Apple's move to Intel will harm Linux
    * Google is planning a web browser
    * Apple should discontinue the Mac
    * TiVo is a way of stealing programming

    Make your own opinions. Mine is that he's a poor troll. Okay, so he correctly predicted that Apple would move to Intel. But if you fire enough shots and make enough random predictions, you're eventually going to get one on the bullseye.

  8. Re:Open up Cocoa (not going to happen) by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Are you sure GNUStep is a strict subset of Cocoa? I could be wrong, but I thought they still supported some things from OpenStep that Cocoa dropped or diverged a little or something. Ah, here's the relevant quote (from the page you linked to):
    Our target implementation for the core libraries is the OpenStep standard and OPENSTEP implementation. However, we do consider changes and additions to this API under the following circumstances.
    • We add methods and classes, either from Cocoa or our own extensions, if they add substantial value and don't interfere with OpenStep and/or Cocoa compatibility.
    • We generally don't remove things unless there is a clearly better implementation in newer Cocoa API.
    • Where there is a real problem with a change, we find a technically superior work-around. In rare cases, this might involve a change in the original OpenStep API.
    It's sad, but this focus on "OpenStep with a bit of Cocoa, and maybe some of our own stuff if it's better" is why nobody uses GNUStep. If their mission was "100% compatibility with Cocoa" instead, then it would be a lot more popular.
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  9. But Apple & Linux are natural allies. by Qwavel · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Certainly the recent rise of OS X on the back of the iPod has hurt desktop Linux, but these two desktop OS's appeal to completely different market segments so they are natural allies, not adversaries.

    Linux attack MS from the low-end and is particularly strong in corporate, third world, and limited use, environments. It is flexible and is appealling technically and politically, but is quite rough and not ready for the average consumer.

    OS X is the opposite. It is high margin, high sytle, and slick. It is perfect for the brand-concious, reasonably wealthy, consumer who wants everything to work together easily.

    I'm not suggesting that Apple would intentionally help Linux, anymore than MS would, but Apple and Linux are not exactly on a collision course!

  10. Re:How can I get his job? by mosestheripper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    run for congress

  11. Re:But OS X _is_ open source. by oudzeeman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SOME of OS X is open source. The things that make OSX OSX (things like Aqua, core[audio,image,data], Quartz, Cocoa, Carbon, DisplayPDF) are not.

  12. Re:Other things John Dvorak is "advocating" by igaborf · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Each would benefit those with the actual power to implement his suggestions not at all.

    Not true. Angie and Natalie would get free Jello.

  13. Re:Open up Cocoa (not going to happen) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    By the way, I was asking netradio.com for a way to buy tracks individually ten years ago! Does that make me a visionary?? What took Steve so f@cking long??

    No you see, while you spent your time posting as an AC on Slashdot, Steve Jobs actually went out and did it.

  14. Re:Open up Cocoa (not going to happen) by dohcvtec · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jobs doesn't want to dominate. He's a kooky hippie who managed to strike it rich, not an aspiring Bill Gates or Larry Ellison.

    True, and this is the key reason why Dvorak is clueless. He says Apple is doomed because they will never dominate the desktop or monopolize like Microsoft. If Apple not overtaking Microsoft is considered failure, then sure they're doomed, and something crazy like open-sourcing OSX may become necessary. But back in the real world, Apple is sitting pretty with the small marketshare they have, and I see their star rising with the path they're currently taking, not falling as Dvorak confusingly suggests.

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