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ODF Alliance Continues to Grow and Build Out

Andy Updegrove writes "As you may recall, a new organization called the ODF Alliance was formed on March 3 of this year to support the uptake of the OpenDocument Format (ODF) by governments. Yesterday, the ODF Alliance issued a press release announcing that it has more than tripled its membership to 138, has appointed a Managing Director with strong European experience (Marino Marcich), and is lobbying countries globally to vote for ODF in ISO. Overall, the picture is one of a growing organization that plans to be around for awhile, and particularly hopes to make its impact in Europe, from which a large number of its members have arrived, where governmental interest in ODF is highest, and risks to government CIOS therefore lowest."

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  1. Full list of members: by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Full list of members can be found here (and FAQ here)

    I note that Apple is not a member - I suggest all slashdotters write to Apple to support ODF & join this alliance. After all, Apple is no longer relying on MS for a browser - why rely on MS for an office suite?

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    1. Re:Full list of members: by xirtam_work · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apple relies upon Microsoft making Mac software enormously, at least at present. The presence of Mac Office in the market place is a boon for Apple. One of the probable reasons for the current lack of a Spreadsheet in the iWork suite (which only includes Pages & Keynote) is an agreement between Microsoft and Apple.

      OpenOffice.org also does not run natively on Mac OS X. There is a clunky X11 version which is slow and horrible. I've heard of Koffice running on OS X but not seen it working myself.

      So, with no native applications using ODF on the Mac it's not surprising that Apple aren't a current supporter. I agree that AppleWorks and iWork should add on support for it in the future. I would be great to see an ODF framework released for the Mac that can translate between PDF/Quartz and ODF that would allow documents to be saved in and imported via ODF easliy for all applications in the future. This would be a huge boon for OS X, just like native support for PDF was to me when OS X was first released.

  2. Re:138....? by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think it's 138 organizations, not individual people.

  3. Re:This is encouraging by Trigun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    shamelessly stolen from my website:

    Open Document Format (odf, or .odf) is ... doomed to failure, unless we make it useful.

    As it stands right now, ODF is nothing more than a rallying cry. The geeks of the world are tired of being held a slave to business demands. They don't want to have to support Microsoft Word, they want more flexibility, more control, and more fun. As of right now, they don't have the tools to do any of it. The tools are easy enough to build, given the right motivation, but what tools need to be created? And more importantly, how will they interact with each other?

    At the top of the list, I see the need for an enterprise-grade versioning and repository server. One that is connectable from anywhere in the enterprise, with flexible security and controls that integrates into the enterprise architecture. That might seem like a lot of buzzwords jammed into one little sentence, so I'll expand on that. Instead of saving your document to a file, it will save it into a server. The server will save the document, and save subsequent changes. It will have the ability to give you the old version if you've bunged up completely. It will allow you to take the file home, work on it, and bring it back to the enterprise. If Bob works on the file, it will branch that file, and keep track of the changes that happen. Finally it will allow you to merge the branches, so that you don't have a million disparate file revisions which have no resemblance to the original file. Support for this should be built into the program that you use to edit the file, without a need to call an external program.

    Next, there should be more leveraging of XML translations. Using the aforementioned server as a data source, data should be able to be pulled and new documents created, using an XML translation. Think of the high level manager that wants a report summarizing all of the departments monthly financials. Instead of having someone make the report every month, the report is auto-generated. Any changes in any of the source files is automatically mirrored into the new report. Translations could be leveraged so that all the reports could be (more or less) viewed in any web browser or e-mail client. Statistics and graphs could be added to the company's website, and translations of translations would work the same.

    After that, there needs to be a wizard to do all of this. Now, I know that this is going to sound very MS Access-ish, but a business would have a standard template for a great deal of its memos, spreadsheets, faxes, and everything inbetween. If there's one thing that a company is good at, it's creating bureaucracy, and this is a natural extension of that. The wizards would use that structure and create the needed transforms. The suits could point and click until their hearts content, generating millions upon millions of reports and feeling like God on the third day. Us geeks would have already purchased stock in toner companies, so things would be good for us, even though we already realize that the documents are, with the right transforms, completely portable, and we can read the latest financial data from our PDA's on the bog.

    Lastly, there needs to be management tools, from server to desktop. Auditing software, role management, whatever we need. Those are the tools that the open source community excel at. These would all be built on an as-needed basis, and they would be quick in coming. Once adoption takes off, I'm certain that other software will leverage the power and flexibility of the system, and be able to use it as a data source as well, providing even more reason why opendocument would succeed, but only if we actually make it useful for what it is and what it's supposed to be: A data source as well as a presentation engine.

    If we don't, however, it will fall by the wayside, used only by geeks and the technical elite.

  4. The hard part by SapphoComet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The hard part will be keeping infighting to a minimum. Many times, organizations like this set out with great intentions and admirable goals, only to become very ineffective when infighting and internal empire-building take place.

  5. Re:Oh great, the government again by dugjohnson · · Score: 2, Insightful
    As much as a libertarian as I am, and as much as I would NORMALLY agree with your sentiment, not this time.

    This is not a government action...these are members of governmental organizations participating to come up with a standard. Governments become a problem when they mandate (they got da guns, doncha know) a standard without really working through an open process. In this case, there are enough other players, and there is no good way to mandate via force, so that this remains an open participatory exercise, at least in theory. (We can assume normal human hubris will reign supreme like in any committee and it will not go smoothly....but the fact that governmental groups are involved is irrelevant. It happens with most ANY committee.)

    The organization with the gun, in this case, has been Microsoft, with their dominance of the desktop and the office suite. By making it difficult to impossible to pass documents easily to other programs, Microsoft has forced a monopoly of convenience. An ODF standard, with enough large organization participants, can make interactivity simpler, make translation seamless, and open the door for other players in the Office Suite game. And it will be because of concensus, not fiat. Now if only the United Nations could play so well.

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  6. Any real interoperabilty? by porneL · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is there a free, small and easy to install plug-in that provides ODF import in popular versions of MS Office?

    I can't just send ODF files to people with attached note "Download 50MB of OpenOffice or switch to Linux and KOffice".

    1. Re:Any real interoperabilty? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why should they send a Word file to you and basically imply "Spend $300 on Word, and waste 300 MB of space on it."

    2. Re:Any real interoperabilty? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Word Readers have to be sought out and installed, and most of them (the non-MS ones) are capable of making mistakes in the more complex stuff.

      Lastly, what about when Office2007 comes out, and the formats change? It'll take months or years for people to reverse-engineer the new formats.

      The other thing that bugs me is that it's mostly basic text that people are sending in Word form. I mean, it's like a list of twenty names and times, and they make a Word file that could just as easily be a .txt or a .rtf

    3. Re:Any real interoperabilty? by donaldm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well if enough people did this maybe business would realise that there are other document formats other than Microsoft's *.doc format (it is NOT a standard just something that has been erroneously accepted as one) and they better support it. Sometimes you just have to make a stand and I think this is what the EU is trying to do.

      It never ceases to amaze me the lemming mentality of Business when it come to using propriety formats and how they seem to think that it allows for portability and interoperability (Biz talk) when that format is under the control (ie. Intellectual Property) of one company. What is even stranger is that format sometimes cannot even be read properly by the same companies software after a few years. So if you are part of a council, hall of records .... etc were they need to be able to keep documents for 100's of years then using something that has a closed format is a rather a stupid move, hence the need for an Open, Portable Document format.

      Please look at the history of standards, get yourself in the right frame of mind before you do and it is quite fascinating, particularly when you relate it to today's society.

      Yes I have worked in a Standards Laboratory hence my signature.

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    4. Re:Any real interoperabilty? by lwriemen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure just open in OpenOffice and export to PDF, or open in some other office application, print to file with a postscript printer driver and run ps2pdf and then send it.
      Same interoperability we've had for years. ;-)

  7. Politicians != Government by Khammurabi · · Score: 2, Informative
    Once they are involved, what's to stop them from forcing design decisions upon the standards which make it easier for them to control and watch us?
    I think you're confusing government bureaucrats with politicians. Having worked for a government IT bureau, I can say that open documents would be welcomed and would have made our lives a hell of a lot easier. My team was charged with managing the 13 step process of bill creation and adoption for the legislature, which included no less than 6 legacy programming languages. The users and developers involved would have jumped at the chance of open document standards, since it removes the inherent half-life of proprietary formats.

    The problem is that the head of the bureau is chosen by a politician. While I can say from experience that our head was actively guided by his appointed party as to what software we were allowed to use, I can not comment on other bureau's machinations. So while the bureau grunts would have loved open document standards, the politicians who have the proprietary donors would probably stifle it.
  8. Sharepoint, but for ODF documents by MarkWatson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I started to write an open source Sharepoint clone a few years ago to support ODF documents.

    Unfortunately (or fortunately for my income), one of my consulting customers liked an early prototype and bought out the rights (unfortunately making it proprietary) and funded me for several months to improve it. They had me discard the OpenOffice.org backend and only support Microsoft Office documents, which was also too bad.

    There are now some good open source projects like Daisy that support ODF.