Planning Dapper +1, The Edgy Eft

Christian Jensen writes "On the ubuntu-announce mailing list, Mark Shuttleworth announced the plans for the next Ubuntu release - 'The Edgy Eft', the successor to Dapper Drake." This release is being touted as both cutting edge (edgy) and containing several comparatively "young" software additions ('Eft' being a 'youthful newt, going through its first exploration of the rocky territory just outside the stream.') like Xen, XGL/AIGLX, and others.

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Alphabeticism?

[vishbar]

Are they going in alphabetical order?

At first, they had Hoary Hedgehog, but then they went Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake, and Edgy Eft. If they're going to do this, what happened to the 'C'? And why not start with an 'A'?

Re:They think they are being clever

[Anonymous Coward]

AAC sounds cool? wtf? What are you smoking? Both appreviations you mentioned are mostly spoken spelling out the abbreviation (how cool, I can say letters/numbers). Ogg is at least easily pronouncible, or if you want to spell it out, its just as easy as AAC and sounds better. And the full name, Ogg Vorbis, does give some kind of hint to what it is (Vorbis = Verbal, beginnings are the same... and the the matching video codec, Ogg Theora, Theora's start sounds like theatre. I've always thought the Ogg names were really well done.

Re:They think they are being clever

[PCM2]

OSS people need to think more marketing driven. Had I been the one in charge of making the Ogg Vorbis thing, I probably would have looked at calling it something that made reference to MP3. Call it MP5 maybe, for 5th Gen Music Packer.

But then, that would have been really stupid, because MP3 doesn't stand for "Third Gen Music Packer" and there is no Audio Layer 5 of the MPEG standard, so your name would actually have had nothing to do with MP3. I'll take a silly-sounding brand name over a technically inaccurate one any day.

Re:They think they are being clever

[pnot]

OGG Vorbis is a good example. It just sounds... Odd. It's not descriptive of function and doesn't have a cool ring to it.

A "cool ring" is something of a subjective matter, don't you think? Personally I think that Ogg Vorbis sounds far cooler than MP3.

Same thing with shit like GIMP. Ok so the full name, GNU Image Manipulation Program isn't horrible, but calling it GIMP is fucking stupid

Yes, if they'd called it something else---why, it might have become the world's most popular open source graphics application by now! Oh, wait, hang on...

So I'm not at all suppirsed to see Ubutnu (which is odd to Western ears at any rate) doing stuff like this.

Yeah, if they hadn't called it Ubuntu---why, it could be one of the world's most popular Linux distros by now! Oh, hang on...

Re:Almost panicked there...

[aaronl]

Linux won't install onto NTFS (complete lack of documentation from MS does not help), but it will install into a vFAT partition. The compression is possible, though not likely, and I doubt the file encryption will ever be supported. If you install Windows into a FAT partition, then you can use UMSDOS to install Linux onto the same, and you need no other partitions.

If you wanted to use Captive in the way you're talking about, then you would need a partition to load the Linux kernel and support binaries, and you could then have all of your other files on the Captive NTFS partition. Nobody has done this because it's both not really worth it and not very efficient.

Linux can use swapfiles. Swap partitions are just a generally better way.

Re:heheh

[Danzigism]

A person on Ubuntu Forums, as reported from my dear friend that runs Debians.org, posted up this link for AMD64 users.. He got it working flawlessy.. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13165 9

Add Beagle!

[MrNonchalant]

If they're experimenting with new stuff (Xen and XGL are pretty risky already) why not add Beagle? It's matured pretty rapidly and with both Vista and Tiger sporting real-time search capability now is the time to get it into Linux.

Re:Add Beagle!

[Anonymous Coward]

https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/beagle- integration

Obligatory Image of an Eft

[RingDev]

http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mnh/nature/salamand/thumbs /images/red-eft.jpg

Just so the Photoshopers have a starting point ;)

-Rick

Any developer out there interested in edgy work?

[wysiwia]

Mark Shuttleworth call for Edgy Eft (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs) is nice but does it really have any impact on improvement on Linux systems, on it's market share. Does he really think that this will produce any new ideas which are needed for the break through of Linux in the desktop area? I think not.

If a developer is interested in edgy work he has to drop a lot of the out dated circumstances taken over from the old UNIX area which is now almost dead. He has to get rid of thinking along all the current implementations and work on something which isn't as limited. There are IMHO two very important areas where hard cuts are a necessity and both are linked with the look&feel.

First any edgy work has to get rid of all the Gnome/KDE/etc desktop guidelines and replace them with a single set of guidelines as outlined in wyoGuide (http://wyoguide.sf.net/). Only then will OpenSource application become competitors to the commercial counterparts.

Second any edgy desktop has to get rid of X11 and replace it with a frame buffer implementation (DirectFB) as outlined in wyoDesktop (http://wyodesktop.sf.net/). Only then will the Linux desktop be possible in a sensible fashion on anything ranging from super computers to embedded devices.

I'm well aware that these two suggestions throws away the most important corner stones of the OpenSource world. I also knows that this means a huge load of work but to become successful this is simply necessary. Believe me if it isn't done and if not soon the OpenSource will fail. So I encurrage anybody, developer or not, to visit the two projects and subscribe to the users mailing list else the Ubuntu Bug #1 (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1) will never be fixed.

O. Wyss