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Blu-Ray/HD-DVD Talks End

Last minute talks to unify the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray formats have failed. Matsushita, owner of the Panasonic brand, has stated 'the market will decide the winner.' From the article: "The two sides held talks last year in the hopes of avoiding a prolonged format battle similar to the one between Betamax and VHS videotapes in the 1980s, knowing that it could discourage consumers from shifting to the advanced discs and stifle the industry's growth. But the talks soon fizzled out, with each side reluctant to establish a format based on the other's disc structure. At stake is the $24 billion home video market and a slice of the personal computer market as PCs will be equipped with Blu-ray or HD DVD optical drives."

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  1. Just fine by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The two standards are too different to unify. The disc is different, the data layout is different, the means for handling interactivity are different, the codec is different... EVERYTHING is different. My only regret is that there are so many variables that we may not really learn anything about which is the best product based on who succeeds and who sucks seed... we may only learn who had better marketing.

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    1. Re:Just fine by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They have so much in common though... The laser is the same, the lens is the same, the disc size and thus the tray, motors, and mechanicals are the same, the outputs are the same, the processing power requirements are the same... All that's different from the player's perspective is the focus and the software.

      All you are going to learn is that players are going to cost $LICENSING_FEE more than they would have, and the players will play both.

  2. the 'market' by celardore · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's right that the 'market' will decide the 'winner'.

    It's just unfortunate that the market powers are the producers rather than the consumers. History repeating itself again. And again.

    1. Re:the 'market' by macdaddy357 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given the choice between two incompatible standards for AM Stereo, the market chose niether.
      Ditto ditto quadraphonic records, ditto.
      Ditto ditto DAT vs DCC, ditto.
      I strongly suspect that HD-DVD and Blu-ray will be another ditto.

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  3. And the winner is... by Buddy_DoQ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Regular DVD!

    Hell, my HDTV is always in HD anyway, why would I need HD or ray's blue DVD's? That's just stupid!*

    *This comment is a joke, but it is widely believed to be true in the consumer world.

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    1. Re:And the winner is... by RingDev · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All jokes aside, Regular DVDs are going to be the reigning king for a while to come. Both formats will have a hard time gaining wide spread acceptance as long as the competitor is out there. Especially since in the movie arena, neither has any current offerings that provide consumers with a large tangible advantage over regular DVDs. Movies @ 1024i are pretty, but they are not hundreds of dollars prettier then Movies @ 480p (err what ever EDTV/DVDs are recorded at).

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  4. Should have picked a better name then. by eMartin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These days everyone knows what HD means. These days most people have DVD players.

    Blu-Ray? What's that?

    1. Re:Should have picked a better name then. by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Blu-Ray? What's that?

      You my friend, are a clueless consumer (sarcasm, bear with me).

      Today, the average consumer knows all of the TV jargon and terminology. To test your skills and those of a random friend, you must know all of the following:

      LDTV 240p30, 288p25 (CIF)
      SDTV 480i60 (NTSC), 480p30, 576i50 (PAL, SÉCAM), 576p25
      EDTV 480p60, 576p50, 720i50, 720i60, 720p24, 720p25, 720p30
      HDTV 720p50, 720p60, 1080i50, 1080i60, 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p30

      DVI, HDMI, coax, optical, RCA, component, composite, Svideo, VGA, XVGA, WXVGA, SVGA, BNC

      DD, DTS, SDDS, Dolby Pro Logic, mono, 2.0, 2.1, 5.0, 5.1, 6.1, 7.1

      4x3 vs 16x9 (You MUST know this better than your equipment, because they will fuck it up).

      Oxygen free copper, binding posts, spades, banana plugs

      Not to mention the newcomers on the block like:

      Macrovision, DRM, DCMA, FBI, and bubba who will love you despite your crimes for watching TV.

      Forgive me, I may have missed one or two or hundreds of other letters or terms.

      Apple needs to get into the TV market. Remember when your options for a TV were what kind of wood finish you wanted, when you wanted it delivered, and did you want to spend extra for color?

  5. Re:It's all a waste of time. by Teddy+Beartuzzi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because people like shiny, tangible things. They call them possessions. It's why e-books have not, and will not replace books.

  6. Re:blu-ray all the way! by kextyn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Umm...what?! Please check again.

    HD-DVD Blu Ray

    As you can see the difference is quite a bit.

  7. Good! by iminplaya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With all the DRM and other crippling measures, nothing would please me more than to see both formats die and rot in hell.

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  8. Ugh by sentientbrendan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They can't agree on merging one... so the obvious answer is just to drop one format. There is already very little incentive to buy this very expensive next generation format... failing to pick a univeral standard will probably just kill the whole thing.

    Anyway, right now the high def dvds are looking a lot like lazerdisk, in the sense that it will be too expensive for anyone to buy it, and by the time it becomes cheap there will be a better standard out. There's just too much competition in the storage space for this dumbass strategy to work. Just because DVD was a success doesn't mean that the successor to DVD will be.

    My bet is that what we will end up doing for hi def movies, is using the existing DVD media, but changing the format from mpeg-2, to something that compresses better like mpeg-4 or windows media. Extra processing power to do decompression may get a lot cheaper a lot faster than these lazers are.

    You have to consider that at this point, PVRs already have the power to do streaming video decompression, and compression of video. It's not hard to imagine increasing the processing power there and adding additional functionality like a divx dvd player, and some basic video games (roms anyone?). You could probably do something equivalent with a modded first gen xbox.

    DVDs were essentially high tech VCRs, which made sense at the time, but these days if people are going to spend more than $50 on some piece of electronics, they expect it to do a lot more than just play videos on their tv.

    I can see them becoming a little bit more successful on the PCs and on consoles. PCs need a way to back up more and more massive data, and consoles need lots of space for more content. That's the primary reason that I'm pretty optimistic about the PS3. Video games are becoming enourmous in terms of space. These disks are on the order of 50 GB, which not that long ago was the size of an entire harddrive. Can game makers fill up all that space with artwork and video? Probably not yet, but I suspect we will start to see some extremely high resolution textures on the 2nd generation PS3 games. Maybe there's just not that much need to expand in that direction... but I suspect that game makers will find some interesting way to make use of the extra space. The main problem I see is lack of exclusive titles these days, game makers need to make their games generic so they can port them from system to system. Thus, the limitations of the xbox 360 will probably keep game makers from taking too much advantage of special things the PS3 can do that can't be ported.

  9. Piracy by 31415926535897 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Matsushita, owner of the Panasonic brand, has stated 'the market will decide the winner.' "The two sides held talks last year in the hopes of avoiding a prolonged format battle ... knowing that it could discourage consumers from shifting to the advanced discs and stifle the industry's growth."

    That's okay, both sides know they can just blame any of their failures on piracy.

  10. Your sure? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Who hundred of dollars. The same hundreds or even thousands of dollars people spend on all those HD-TV's? Every trash day you see those boxes. People seem t be spending a lot of money on those TV's. Why? They are not that much better then my PC tv card.

    To me.

    Just because you don't find it worth the money doesn't mean that everyone else agrees with you.

    I seen some bittorrent releases in HD formats and the difference is huge. Granted the largest actually have to be scaled down to fit on my screen but you can't deny the difference. It is the difference between an actors face being a blur with darkspots for eyes and mouth and being able to see wether they had a good nights sleep the day before.

    Does it matter?

    If it didn't we would still be using 8mm film. Black & White.

    Everytime a new format comes along you get the same old argument about it being to costly for a minor increase. Yet that never stopped anyone before.

    We will see one of these being the winner in a few years time. The early players will be sold out in no time and take up will be a lot faster then you think and then when the next-gen format war starts you will be spouting the same nonsense.

    TV is a lot more important to people then you think. A 1000 dollars to have the next best thing is nothing to a lot of people.

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    1. Re:Your sure? by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everytime a new format comes along you get the same old argument about it being to costly for a minor increase. Yet that never stopped anyone before.

      How many DVD-audio disks do you own?

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