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Community Calls For OSS Contributions by Banks

Erikson Wright writes to mention a ZDNet article, covering a call by open-source vendors to banking institutions. The groups are asking powerful financial firms to contribute more code to the open source community. From the article: "Concerns over competitive advantage mean that it can be difficult to persuade companies to share code with the open-source community, as it can then be easily accessed by competitors. But for technologies that have little impact on competitive advantage, financial companies could probably be encouraged to contribute code, the conference panel agreed ... 'If you're using open-source technology on Wall Street, unless you're completely reliant on a vendor to provide a certified version, you will probably invest extra time to fix it,' he said. 'What will you do with your fix? You can keep it to yourself, but if you move it upstream by passing it on to the vendor or submitting it as a patch, you know it will be available in the next version of the product. That's what drives most open- source development--collective self-interest.'"

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  1. Re:It's a threat! by neonprimetime · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's exactly what I was thinking...but also ...

    Banks are generally reluctant to collaborate with other members of the financial community as they are worried about giving advantages to competitors

    Most banks (I work at one) are paranoid about lawsuits for absolutely anything (ex: if you wouldn't have shared you source code, that hacker wouldn't have found the flaw, and you wouldn't have lost your customer's information)... and so if they think that it could turn around and shoot them in the foot ... they aren't going to do it.

  2. Not Just in Banking by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is true in many, many industries. Working on a common code base for the good of all helps companies leverage each other's abilities to get more work done on fewer resources. Many developers don't realize it, but that's what projects like Apache are all about. Thousands of companies may need web servers or Office Document libraries, but these programs are beyond the resources of any one company to maintain.

    I can't find it anymore, but Scott McNealy wrote a very good piece on Open Sourcing and industry collaboration. His key point was that anything that does not give your company a competitive advantage is not worth maintaining individually. The only time you should waste the resources on solely developing a technology is when it puts you ahead of your competitors. To use the banking industry as an example, there's no need for everyone to write their own accounting packages. There's very little you're going to gain over your competitors. However, a market analysis package that contains proprietary formulas for market predictions and benchmarking is most certainly worth keeping private. The information contained in the software can give you a huge advantage over your competitors.

    So in short, it's all about spending your resources wisely. Open Source and Industry Standards just happen to be tools that help companies do that.

    1. Re:Not Just in Banking by NineNine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Working on a common code base for the good of all helps companies leverage each other's abilities to get more work done on fewer resources.

      The thing is, in a relatively free market, the goal of companies is not to help other companies, but to take their customers. Software provides a competitive advantage that can't be overlooked. It certainly does in my own business, and I'll share my software only over my dead body. If not for my custom software, I would not be able to compete as well as I do. I don't want to help other companies in my same industry.

    2. Re:Not Just in Banking by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you use an OSS webserver? How about your database? Perhaps you're using commercial software like IIS. (In which case you're getting the same benefits, only you're paying for it.) Why do you use Open Source or any software you didn't write if using a custom version would supposedly give you a competitive advantage?

      Your argument is a total non-argument. You've completely agreed with me, only you're ignoring the areas where you use cooperative software because it isn't part of your core business. And that is the core point:

      If it isn't part of your core business, it isn't worth developing in-house.

  3. Don't be like an old roommate of mine... by TheIndifferentiate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I had a roommate in the Army who said he *loved* to clean and for me not to worry about it, he would do all the cleaning. Okay, cool by me. Later when I was transferred from that base to another, he complained to a sergeant that I would never help clean our room/bathroom. As a punishment for my being stupid enough to take my roommate up on his offer, I was made to scour the place from top to bottom before I could leave.

    My take on this is: Don't offer to freely share your software and then complain that there is no reciprocal sharing later. You did not freely share. If financial institutions are honoring the applicable licenses for the software they are using then leave them alone. Otherwise your offer was disingenuous and you become an asshole like my roommate turned out to be. If you can't sleep at night because there is no sharing in return, change the license and quit belly-aching about it because not everyone is going to get caught up in the spirit of open source software the way you would like them to.

  4. www.openadaptor.org by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 4, Informative

    Openadaptor was open-sourced by investment bank DrKW in 2001

    "openadaptor is a Java/XML-based software platform which allows for rapid business system integration with little or no custom programming.

    openadaptor can be loosely classified as EAI (Enterprise Application Integration) software. It is highly extensible and provides many ready-built interface components for JMS, LDAP, Mail, MQ Series, Oracle, Sybase and MSSQL Server as well as data exchange formats such as XML. New components are regularly added."

    See also this story from slashdot in 2001.

    Disclaimer (not that it matters): I was involved in the launch in 2001

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  5. Why do they need to give back? by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are they modifying code, distributing it and not respecting the terms of the license? I thought OSS was supposed to be "free as in speech" AND "free as in beer." So... why is anyone expecting them to give code and money back now? It's one thing to ask them politely for donations to help pay for the development, or to request services like 0% interest loans for development groups that support them, but what's up with this welfare baby entitlement mentality?

    Don't give your code away if you intend to try to squeeze code or money out of them later. The time to ask for an equitable exchange is when things get started, not well after you've given them the product with no notice that it'll cost them anything and then try to squeeze some cash out of them. This is to OSS, what try to tax used CD sales is to the RIAA.

    I'd call it outrageous, were it not for the hypocrisy and downright idiocy of much of the "community." I can't even count the number of times that the "community" (as opposed to the developers and sincere, committed supporters who actually had basic social skills) has acted counter to OSS interests in front of me and those I know be it at school, online or at work. Imagine being called a "fucking idiot" by the local Linux know-it-alls back in 2000 because you think that BeOS was a far more sophisticated desktop than Linux with KDE 1.0. Please, someone tell me how the "community" is typically something more than a mob.