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Net Neutrality Voted Down in U.S. House Committee

Ana10g writes "Business Week provides a look at the recent vote by the House Committee on Energy & Commerce, in which the FCC would have been given the power to prohibit discrimination of Internet traffic. The battlefield seems to be centered around which group has the better funded lobbyists, with companies such as Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and many others competing against the well funded Telecommunications lobbysts. The committee voted the amendment down, 34 to 22."

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  1. Re:Anyone Suprised? by kitejumping · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This just reinforces the fact that the common public interest is not correctly represented by congress.

  2. Re:Anyone Suprised? by DrMrLordX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As the old saying goes, the opposite of progress is Congress.

  3. Hmm... Technicalities. by Davus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The proposal, by Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), would have given the Federal Communications Commission the power to prohibit discrimination when it comes to sending traffic over the Internet. Couldn't this, technically, also eliminate QoS/fair queue'ing and general firewall rules?

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  4. There's something so wrong with this story by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The battlefield seems to be centered around which group has the better funded lobbyists, with companies such as Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and many others competing against the well funded Telecommunications lobbysts. The committee voted the amendment down, 34 to 22.

    So long as we're clear: it's just big companies with lots of money fighting each other for the right to make money off of us. God for-fucking-bid the "battlefield" should in anyway involve some kind of consideration of what might be best for the human constitutents the congresscritters are elected to serve.

    1. Re:There's something so wrong with this story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "What's best for the biggest corporations is best for all of us. You're not a commie, are you?"

    2. Re:There's something so wrong with this story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      "What's best for the biggest corporations is best for all of us. You're not a terrorist, are you?"

      There, brought you up to the 21st C.

    3. Re:There's something so wrong with this story by littlerubberfeet · · Score: 5, Informative

      I called my representative (Jim Moran) and had a productive conversation with a senior staffer. My congressman is in agreement with net neutrality, and has been since the issue first manifested itself. My two Virginia senators don't even have public issue statements yet, and are difficult to contact, even the staffers. Allen and Warner are difficult to deal with generally.

      But anyway, to the meat of my comment: Our reps actually DO listen, at least when we call or write (on that flat white thin stuff...email is ignored) so, I chose to make some phone calls.

      My basic pitch to the representatives: I'm a small business owner in Virginia. I voted for you. I might not in the future. A core part of my method of business relies on a neutral, accessible internet. If congress were to allow the telecoms to restrict access, my business might fail, along with many others in the state. Help us, and we will help you.

      Basically, let your reps know your point of view, and make them recognize that this is a litmus test issue for you. Ask them to work for you and keep your vote. This won't work for the complete whores in congress, but the ones on the fence, or in vulnerable elections will listen. So: CALL OR WRITE THAT PERSON WHO YOU VOTED FOR, AND ARE PAYING TO REPRESENT YOU. IT WORKS SOMETIMES.

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    4. Re:There's something so wrong with this story by eno2001 · · Score: 5, Informative

      OK Dim son. Here goes (all hypothetical):

      1. You get your internet access from AOL
      2. They get their access from a metaISP. Let's just say AT&T for simplicty
      3. AT&T is finacially related to... let's say Barnes & Noble Bookstores
      4. You want to hit Amazon to buy a book
      5. Barnes & Noble tell AT&T to provided the slowest possible access (modem speeds) to their competitors and lightning fast access to Barnes and Noble. AT&T Complies
      6. You try to get to Amazon.com and you either get a timeout or the site renders VERY SLOWLY
      7. This makes you think that Amazon sucks, so you ditch them and go through others until you find this really great bookseller online: Barnes & Noble

      Nevermind that their prices are higher and they don't provide access to used books and media. So you just got hamstrung. Now... let's say you discover through friends who have excellent experiences with Amazon that you are missing out. What do you do? You could change ISPs to one who is a partner or in some other way is financially related to Amazon. But then... your access to your favorite news or sports site slows to a crawl. That's how this is going to impact you. Nice huh?

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  5. Re:I'm so torn by TX297 · · Score: 5, Informative
    As an aside, doesn't the whole "tiered Internet" concept that the telco's are trying to float violate the concept of "common carrier"? Anyone know?

    Networks not regulated as common carriers are referred to as Information Services or Enhanced Services, and are generally regulated under title I of the Communications Act. (Source)

  6. Re:Hmm... Technicalities. by x2A · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Unless that was intended as funny"

    *lol* can see it now: breakdown of votes for new amendment was:
    60% funny
    20% troll
    20% overrated

    goddamn mods

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  7. I'd love to see this. by mattkinabrewmindspri · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'd like to see companies like Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, et cetera, form some kind of coalition. For one week, I'd like them to choose a telecom, maybe Verizon one week and at&t the next.

    During that week, any requests for pages from those sites from the telecom's network would respond with a warning page saying

    WARNING:

    Your ISP ([Verizon]) is attempting to charge [Google] so that you can continue to access our site over the internet. If this happens, you will not be able to access [Google] using [Verizon]'s network. We assure you this is not our fault, and we hope you continue to use our site in the future.

    If [Verizon] begins charging sites, you will no longer be able to access any of these sites using [Verizon] internet access:

    • Google
    • Yahoo
    • ebay
    • et cetera

    [Verizon]'s customer service number is [1-877-483-5898].

    Continue on to the page you requested.

    Content providers' sites are one of the few reasons that Verizon and at&t can sell anything. Without sites like Google, Amazon, and Yahoo, Verizon and at&t's pipes are pretty much worthless. The content providers really should make this clear to Verizon and at&t.

  8. Logic breakdown... by skiddie · · Score: 5, Funny
    It's the evil big telecom corporations vs. The Public and Microsoft.

    OMG!!1! We're on the same side as Microsoft!?!?! WTF?!?!?!11?!?//

  9. Re:Hmm... Technicalities. by arivanov · · Score: 5, Informative
    Couldn't this, technically, also eliminate QoS/fair queue'ing and general firewall rules?

    First, yes it would. Thanks god I live in a slightly more sane country (only by a bit unfortunately). Otherwise I would have lost one of my primary pieces of daily bread. Been doing QoS for 7+ years now.

    Second, Amazon, MSFT and Co should have acted long ago when the Baby Bells and Bell Wannabies killed off the peering points circa Y2K. Instead of that, they went into a direct relationship with the Baby Bells and Bell Wannabies. As a result they simply do not have a leg to stand on regarding any such issues. They are already in contractual agreement with the ATT, Verizon, Level3, etc and if one of these decides to alter the contract there is little they could do.

    To put things in a perspective - in the US traffic from access goes across the telco backbone and goes to Amazon and the like via a private link. In this environment the content provider is at the mercy of the telco. In Europe the traffic goes from access across the telco backbone after that traverses a well maintained non-profit peering point like Lynx and hits the content provider after that. Technically, you can do QoS in both cases. Practically, while you can there is no way you can guarantee any QoS because you do not control the entire route. The Bells understood this more than 5 years ago and killed the US peering points like MAE by maintaining the infrastructure as bad as they could (they also owned most of them) and forcing everyone to go private. From there on the question of net neutrality is utterly pointless.

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  10. Re:Insights * 2 by jrieth50 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In fairness a plethora of consumer group's pleadings and petitions were filed into the official record - but the only 'man speaking for the people' at the hearing was a guy from Columbia Law.

    The only guy on the panel who felt net neutrality was unnecessary was the telco guy 'McCormick' who repeatedly assured the panel they would never 'limit, degrade, or block service' to anyone - all while agreeing that one congressman's analogy that suggested exactly that was 'apropos.' How bout that.

    Meanwhile republican bobble-heads were nodding in agreement nearly the entire time with the 4 other panelists who FAVORED net neutrality and seemed to understand the issue. Vote time comes - only one republican voted for it. Another 'gee, how bout that' moment. What I think surprised me the most is that they actually seemed to grasp the necessity of net neutrality throughout - but they're such whores they voted against it anyways when the attention was elsewhere (see gas prices.)

  11. TelCos save $ with Fiber & copper sales! -Grok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    From a comment on Groklaw:

    Note that the "children" comments that followed this comment covered much detail regarding some specifics to part of what was in the quotes taken from the comment below - to see those comments and children of those comments go to:

    http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&si d=2006042600285164&title=Net+Neutrality+is+equal+t o+Freedom+of+Speech...!&type=article&order=&hidean onymous=0&pid=434496#c434501

    "Verizon and the TelCo PAC say they need to be paid for the upgrades to fiber that they are making? Well, one union lineman that works for Verizon told me that as the TELCOs install more fiber to the house, they will end up saving HUGE amounts of money, as the TELCOs will more longer need to pay for the expensive labor that is required today to maintain the copper lines (corrosion, lightning damage due to copper getting hit then equipment blowing up), as copper costs them. The Union for Telco workers is looking at fiber optics to the business or house as the biggest pink slip creator ever in the history of the Telephone Industry. Copper costs the Telephone Companies in both labor (maintance) and equipment (Fiber equipment lasts longer and does not suffer from electrical surges that are caused by every lighting storm that happens in the US ever day. Fiber does not corrode, does not conduct lighting, and is even cheaper to produce with a lower cost per foot to buy than copper... FIber is just glass! Cheap to produce and cheap to maintain... all splices to fiber lines are perfect every time. A splice to a copper line is a future failure point due to the corrosion that can then occur at that point or break in the line.

    The Telephone and cable industry does NOT need to charge more! They don't need the right to OWN the internet and charge fees to those who USE is (other than the customer side where a customer can choose the speed they want and pay the fee for it's use)! The Telephone Companies and Cable Companies are looking for their own monopoly again (only this time in restricting free speech, freedom of commerce, and to restrict and own the freedoms of competition with their own a third party tax OR TOLL BOOTH ON THE PUBLIC INTERNET where the fees then become a barrier to it's use!

    IF the Republicans pass this bill through it will cause masses of internet users to vote them out of office in the next election. The US internet user wants their internet access on every side to remain free! This is an attack by an industry on the Freedoms of Internet Access and by doing this it is a direct attack on the Freedoms of Speech! What are YOU going to do about this TODAY?"

  12. Re:Anyone Suprised? call your senator ANYWAY... by oneluckystar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Call your senator.
    Tell them what you think this bill will do. And mostly why you won't vote for the again or contribuite to their campaigns.
    (It is the only thing you can do, unless you are a freelance lobbyist that wants to work pro-bono for slashdotters.)

    Here is their contact information.

    http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ senators_cfm.cfm