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Phishers Get Phoney

Nick Johnson writes to mention a new twist on phishing. From the article: "The spammed message warns of a problem with a bank account and instructs the recipient to dial a phone number to resolve it. The caller is connected to a voice response system that is made to sound exactly like the bank's own system. The phone system identifies itself to the target as the financial institution and prompts them to enter account number and PIN."

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  1. evolving by brenddie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems that phishing is evolving but they are getting forced to use more risky (for the phisher) methods. A phone number feels more physical than a web presence so it should be easier to track besides this has to be breaking some "dont screw around with the phone" federal law.

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  2. Re:Ah, but how.. by GroinWeasel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've had phishing emails that were for the right bank: and even had the right address in it (except for the fact taht I moved from the address 2 years ago...)

    Phishers are getting better, and I suspect they have friends within the banks.

  3. Re:Wow by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the area where I live there has been a more serious "phone phish" going on. You receive a call from someone and claiming to be a police officer. They say that they're very sorry to have to inform you that your mother/father/son/daughter/sister/bother has been involved in a serious crash and is being flown by emergency helicopter to regional hospital X. So that the hospital is able to treat them the moment it touches down, the officer is trying to complete necessary admittance and insurance paperwork in advance, and what they need from you is your insurance policy number *and* the full name, address, phone, credit card number, and social security number of someone who can be billed in the event that the insurance policy is unwilling to cover the necessary treatment.

    From what I understand, these scammers have been doing pretty well, unfortunately, and as far as I know there are few leads. The public hasn't been told why... maybe they're using convenience store phones and/or pay phones.

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  4. Re:speaking of stupid... by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I mean, arn't they fooling enough people in the status quo? Now, they have to pay people to act like they work for a bank, and have them on call 24/7.
    The same stupid people are going to believe this (why would your bank email you asking you to call them?), so now the phishers will be losing money by paying actors, and not really getting enough extra to cover the cost.


    I think the "Tragedy of the Commons" has struck the spam and phishing world. First, a few spams and you had a high return rate. Now that everyone's inbox is flooded, no one reads them anymore. So people turned to phishing, which made a lot of money. However, people realized that you know, the bank isn't going to send them alerts to *every* email account they have anymore (I get the same phish email in my home account (several copies), and my Gmail account), or as I mentioned in my anecdote, *several* copies. For the past week, Chase Online had a problem *EVERY SINGLE DAY*. The first time, maybe. The Nth time, well, it's obviously a scam.

    Either that, or if one were to answer every phish, there would've been nothing left in the account beyond the first couple of phishers.

    So now that everyone's into the phishing racket, all the low-hanging fruit is gone, since people get suspicious when the bank sends multiple emails on the same problem, or over the course of a week, or different problems with the same bank. It worked wonders when phishes were rare. Now that they happen daily, well.

    Interesting how the Tragedy of the Commons can affect scams as well (which probably included a number of ways spam has evolved over the years).

    But hey, calling a 1-800 number can be quite fun, since they're paying for the call. May be fun to do an automated calling thing that calls, presses random numbers, speaks sloooooooowwwwwwlllllly...

  5. Re:I specialize in this! by Barrow-Wight · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "...3-7% of people still fall for those things..."

    I've had conversations about security with acquaintances who think security measures can be defeated and are therefore useless. Here are some examples:

    SECURITY MEASURE -> OBJECTION
    Shred documents -> Couldn't someone just tape my document back together?
    Add security alarm -> Couldn't a quick thief enter, let the alarm go off, grab stuff and exit before the police show up?
    Check for security on important websites -> Couldn't someone run cracking software to decrypt my account login?

    The answer to each of these questions is probably Yes, someone could do those things if they really wanted to.

    But the reality is, why would they bother when it is so easy to find someone else that doesn't take your precautions?

    For example, pretend you're a phisher. Which of the following two choices would you find more appealing:
    (1) Intercept data from a user's login session, then run a decryption program on your PC for several weeks (or more) until it finally reveals the user's login info.
    (2) Send spam to 10,000 accounts and get 300 to 700 sets of ID within a day or two.

    I don't think I need to tell you the answer.

    In the end, security is often about using better measures than the other guy. Of course, for that to work, there needs to be that other guy.

    So, the 3-7% who fail to take proper security measures are actually performing a public service...They're the dupes that get exploited instead of the rest of us! :-)