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Greenpeace's Custom Underwater Giant-Squid-Cam
Seagull76 writes "Check out this 1 minute video with Greenpeace's underwater photo/videographer and deep sea toy specialist, Gavin Newman, aboard the Esperanza.
After months of confronting whalers and pirates, some might envy the crew aboard the next leg of Defending Our Oceans who are heading to the beautiful Azores in the mid-Atlantic. For this leg of the expedition, the Esperanza has been equipped with state of the art monitoring equipment, including a remote operating vehicle (ROV) which can shoot video down to a depth of 300m, and a drop camera capable of reaching depths of 1,000 metres - giant squid territory! The ship will become part of the ongoing University of the Azores research program intended to establish greater scientific knowledge of the importance of deep-sea habitats and marine life. "
What all slashdotters really want to see is a giant squid - not Gavin's toys.
And I have one for you. Giant Squid in its Natural Habitat
Seriously, youtube has an interesting video of a largish humbolt squid and a dissection of a real giant squid at the London Natural History Museum.
Oh - and a Coral Cache Mirror in case Gavin's video dies.
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
Misread the title as "Greenpeace's Custom Underwater Giant-Squid-Scam".
;-)
:-p
Then I saw things about a toy specialist and it really got me wondering.
Bah, as so often with misreads, the real story was boring in comparison.
I want Greenpeace squid scam conspiracies with toy specialists!
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Just to clarify, the video is just this guy describing and showing the camera itself. There doesn't seem to be actual video from the thing viewable. Shame.
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The ship will become part of the ongoing University of the Azores research program intended to establish greater scientific knowledge of the importance of deep-sea habitats and marine life.
Giant squid have already been photographed in their natural habitat by Japanese scientists. Greenpeace is a radical political organisation with little scientific credibility. Marine science is already in more capable hands. One can only wonder about their real motivations.
After months of confronting whalers and pirates...
It takes one to know one.
an ill wind that blows no good
Of course then they would limited to actual research instead of political stunts. Almost all of histories most famous research ships were wooden sailing ships and greenpeace spits on the legacy.
They need exposed as the frauds they are and for people to stop accepting the lie that they are an environmental group. They are a political group that has done more to harm environmental progress (look at their record on nuclear energy for a prime example) than anybody short of big industry.
This coming from someone /has/ worked in the recycling industry, doesn't drive a big car gives to environmental causes and so on. Give money to legitimate environmental groups, live responsibly and let this political whore / quasi terrorist organization die.
ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! (oh come on, somebody had to didn't they ;)
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What you just read was the Common Karma Whore.
Its behaviors include off-topic comments about the US government, which it uses as a method of attracting less intelligent moderators.
As you can see, this Karma Whore's trap worked perfectly, fooling a particularly mindless moderator, and successfully gaining karma.
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Karma Whores rely on such individuals, as they are also not very bright, and without other less intelligent prey, would not survive long in the wild.
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There ya go, they were charged for financing terrorism. http://www.libertysecurity.org/article283.html
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Oh dear God, "eco-terrorist" huh?
Greenpeace has been called eco-terrorist long before that little incident in the U.S. They've been described as such even before the U.S. invaded Iraq to save the world from Al-quesadilla or whatever they call themselves.
I'm not a nerd. Nerds are smart.
I guess we are all victims of propaganda. Myself, being a victim of Greenpeace propaganda, and american people being victims of Fox News (a.k.a. Bush administration) propaganda, flagging everyone not sharing their views as terrorists, part of the evil axis.
What makes greenpeace terrorists? Have they killed anybody? Did they kill these whalers? Are they placing bombs on the most polluting factories? Are they invading Irak to force them to be ecologists (Operation "Spreading eco-freedom"!)? THAT would be eco-terrorism.
perception is reality
Even one of their founders has turned his back on them.
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
I don't know about squids, but going "deep sea diving" with a hippie pretty much guarantees you will see at least crabs.
Ironically, they broke it yesterday by unexpectedly banging it against some coral.
Around lunchtime, just as I was on a Defending Our Oceans project leaders conference call, and being cautiously optimistic about how well things are going out here so far - disaster struck the underwater video and stills research camera, affectionately known as the 'Drop-Cam'. While surveying a coral ridge it had crashed into a rocky outcrop and been broken into pieces.
Greenpeace doesn't really get involved with people who wear fur. They more get involved on the production side, not the wearing side. And fur-wise, they only get involved with baby seals, not furs in general. I think you're thinking of PETA.
And your practicality argument is just plain stupid. They are doing a necessary thing, in order to accomplish a certain goal. That's what he's referring to. It is completely absurd to say that a person who believes in the environment cannot use any fossil fuels. How would they fly to a conference? Or maybe they'd video conference, if none of the components in the equipment was made out of plastic and the power to run it came from the wind! There simply is no way right now to completely avoid using fossil fuels to accomplish a goal. So are you merely arguing that no person should bother to do as much as they can?
It is not practical at this time to fill a ship's bunkers with biodiesel. A ship could take upwards of 10,000 gallons of fuel at once. Sourcing that much biodiesel is not easy, or perhaps even possible. Over time, perhaps this will change. I too would like to see wind used to power ships again. But it'll really be most useful on the open ocean. To maneuver (say, to block harpoons) will require burning fuel, because the wind doesn't always cooperate.
I am no fan of Greenpeace, honestly, I see them as terrorists. But I find your argument that practical limits mean one shouldn't try to improve some aspects of our enviroment to be foolish.
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My question was about the viability of bio-diesel in general. It appears that Greenpeace does use bio-diesel in a number of their other vehicles, but perhaps it is not a viable option for their ships. They're not exactly rolling in cash or anything. Either way, they are still doing SOMETHING, which is better than what 99% of the rest of the world is doing about the problem.
It's sad that we have apparently become an "all or nothing", "with us or against us" society. If someone says they're opposed to eating meat, but still eat shellfish, instead of commending them on making a worthwhile effort, we call them a hypocrite and discount them entirely. Picking out some minor "hypocrisy" to shoot down your opponent might be effective in politics when the average voter has no more than a high school education, but those of us that can actually think logically know better.
What?
As to your straw man stuff, you said they can't be environmentalists, because they burn diesel fuel in their ship. You said that, not me. You said that makes them hypocrites and thus blunts their position. I reject your argument.
As to baby seals. Um, I said baby seals. you said "people wearing fur". The only fur being worn here is baby seal fur, and it's being worn by baby seals! As I said, Greenpeace is really only involved in the baby seal hunting, not the people wearing fur end. You backed up my argument, not refuted it.
You are a terrible debater. You misrepresent your own positions while bolstering mine, and then you declare victory.
And you do realize you can't edit posts on slashdot, right?
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what twaddle. Grenpeace dont even swear at people let along blow them apart with semtex. Its funny to see slashdotters suddenly get their knickers in a twist about peaceful disobedience of the law when its greenpeace, and then within minutes post a "Fuck the RIAA you cant stop me filesharing" rant about how its every citizens right to break the law if they disagree with it.
Thankfully, I am not the person "Slashdot". So when the person "Slashdot" does something that is seemingly hypocritical, you can rest assure that the person running around calling them self "Slashdot" isn't me. In this case, while the person "Slashdot" might share files and have a problem with vandalism, I do not. I have a problem with vandalism and I don't pirate. I don't buy music either. There is plenty of legal music in this world such that you don't need to pirate OR buy from the RIAA.
If you would rather events like the exxon valdez disaster or bhopal just got quietly ignored as they would be without GP, then thats a matter for your conscience. As far as I know Exxon mobil havent paid a single dollar in compensation for that valdez shipwreck, and thats even after GPS campaigns. Without people like GP, they would probably be trying to sue the seagulls for stealing their oil.
Greenpeace does not have a monopoly on publicizing these disasters. There are plenty of other organizations that have put in the effort to improve the environment without resorting to publicity stunts that far from bringing attention to the problem, tend to piss off allies. Having Greenpeace on your side is the left wing equivalent of getting a local militia group that threatens to shoot cops and tax collectors on site to endorse your program to cut back taxes. It is counter productive.
Greenpeace plays to their own whacko brand of quasi-religious environmentalism. Hell, I think this quote sums up their position:
"We are putting Monsanto on notice, along with each and every Biotech firm that is contaminating our fields and our food supply now - or has future plans to introduce GE seeds - this is the beginning, we will not stop until France is declared a GE free zone."
This is what they say on their own frigging page. This shit ISN'T what wins over anyone but your fellow quasi-religious-environmentalist nut jobs. This is like declaring that you are going to go disrupt Jewish religious services until all the heathens convert to Christianity.
Greenpeace has done more to make "environmentalist" be spat out like a curse word then any other group out there. Calling yourself an environmentalist is slowly losing its stigma, but it is losing its stigma DESPITE Greenpeace, not because of it. Greenpeace is a curse on the environmentalist movement. Greenpeace is a blessing to every corporate dumper out there. While Greenpeace is out there, these corporations point to their stupid and dangerous stunts as proof that the other side is just made up of stupid college kids with too much time on their hands. I bet Exxon executives wake up every single day and thank god for Greenpeace and jump for joy when one of those idiots performs some act of vandalism that they can then take to a congressmen as proof that the other side is nuts.