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Ubisoft Injuncts Tremblay For Joining Vivendi

simoniker writes "According to an Ubisoft statement, the company has obtained an injunction against Martin Tremblay, who recently left as Ubisoft Montreal head to run Vivendi Games, in an attempt to enforce a non-compete clause. This is particularly notable/ironic because Tremblay was in charge of Ubisoft Montreal's previous aggressive attempts to enforce its non-compete for game developers who left to join EA Montreal - the whole situation again brings up the discussion of whether non-compete clauses are at all sensible."

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  1. First (bad) pun? by secolactico · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure Martin is tremblaying in his shoes right now.

    AAAARGH!

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    1. Re:First (bad) pun? by revlayle · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      *slap* you deserved that!

  2. Bah! by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 3, Informative
    Bah!

    Québec labour laws are extremely liberal towards workers (heck, here is the only place where Wall-Marde stores have successfully unionized - make sure you check the edit wars on Wikipedia), so it is very likely that they will be told to pound sand...

    1. Re:Bah! by 9mm+Censor · · Score: 1

      Except that WalMart closed the store shortly thereafter so unions be damned when nobody has a job.

    2. Re:Bah! by renehollan · · Score: 1

      IIRC, there was some stink about how closing a business should be illegal, when that happened.

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    3. Re:Bah! by compro01 · · Score: 1

      walmart did a similar thing in my town a few years back. they bought out the Wolco store, then closed it down citing "poor business projections" (BS. the store had been profitable under several names for 20 years).

      the store staff was unionized.

      yet, just 3 years later, they built a whole new building and opened a Walmart store, with a non-union workforce.

      remarkable, no?

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    4. Re:Bah! by vaporakula · · Score: 1

      Yeah, except the Quebec courts upheld the non-compete before when Tremblay spearheaded the enforcement against his former employees...

      How he could have expected to not have this thrown at him is a mystery. There is news in the pipeline though, expect to hear from Tremblay on the matter soon! (I've only seen the French news report so far, it'll get anglo press soon)

  3. Stupid by The+Snowman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know about the legality of such clauses since I am not a lawyer (but I am inclined to think they are legal), but I do think they're dumb. What it does is close doors for the employee. Fired? Don't like your job? Too bad, you can't work for a competitor. While this doesn't lock the employee out of the industry entirely, it does restrict them from a specific area, for example, game companies, security companies, OS companies, etc. So you have tons of C++ and graphics experience working for a game company? Well now you can learn a whole new skillset with Java, Oracle, AJAX, etc. and go write web applications. Sure, it's still programming, but it's totally different technology, different programming paradigm, and requires time to adjust.

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    1. Re:Stupid by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Fired? Don't like your job? Too bad, you can't work for a competitor.

      Anybody who signs a conrtact with the ability to apply a "non-compete" clause to an employee that doesn't quit voluntarily has to be a real sucker. I would certainly hope that it's not legal in that case.

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    2. Re:Stupid by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      but I am inclined to think they are legal

      The legality of non-compete clauses is largely regional. In the US alone, the degrees to which such clauses are valid varies from state to state. From country to country the differences are even greater.

    3. Re:Stupid by hyfe · · Score: 2, Insightful
      (but I am inclined to think they are legal)

      They are in the US. They're not here in Norway.

      I'll take Socialism and Civil Rights over the right to be fucked over any day.

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    4. Re:Stupid by tlhIngan · · Score: 2, Informative

      The legality of non-compete clauses is largely regional. In the US alone, the degrees to which such clauses are valid varies from state to state. From country to country the differences are even greater.


      IANAL, but I believe in Canada, the courts have to see the "reasonableness" of the non-compete - is it for a specific geographica area for a specific period of time, that sort of thing. And the courts in general, when it is an individual v. a group (company, association, etc) fighting a case where the individual is being barred from making a living doing something by the group, the courts have tended to side with the individual. The general feeling is that preventing someone from earning a rightful living infringes on their rights.

      So if the non-compete is reasonable in scope (not too large an area) and duration, it most likely will be upheld (e.g., a specific city ("Vancouver"), and for a short period of time ("1 year")), but if it's unreasonable (e.g., a geographic area ("Greater Vancouver Regional District") or a period of time considered unreasonable (probalby anything more than a year)), then they would consider it a likely to infringe on their fundamental rights and disallow the clause.

    5. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But one day, if I lead a devout Christian life and work hard, I will be able to exercise my god-granted Right to fuck other people over!

    6. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they are perfectly legal for non-lawyers. ironically, lawyers have faced this issue and since we control the laws (most politicians are lawyers) it is illegal for a lawyer to encounter this clause in a legal contract when hired, but not for non lawyers.
      yes, lawyers do enjoy more privilidges than the rest of the population. we cant even be sued without certain specific rules applying to allow us to be sued.
      Disclaimer: IAAL and the foregoing information is provided from the ABA model code. may vary depending on jurisdiction.

  4. So here's what I want to know. by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What's this guy supposed to do between now and when his NCA expires?

    Wait for Godot?

    Work in another field?

    Hope that two years of letting his valuable skills sit unused won't affect his marketability?

    Eh?

    1. Re:So here's what I want to know. by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      What's this guy supposed to do between now and when his NCA expires?

      Exactly. I believe in some places, these are almost unenforceable -- you can't deny someone their livelihood.

      If I can't work for a competitor for two years, you better be paying me for those two years. Otherwise, it makes no sense!
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  5. quick English lesson by matthewn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Heads up: You cannot "injunct" something. That ain't a word. The verb you do when you file an injunction is "enjoin." So, "Ubisoft ENJOINS Tremblay FROM Joining Vivendi."

    1. Re:quick English lesson by stinerman · · Score: 1

      And then someone would complain about the title "Ubisoft Enjoins Tremblay For Joining Vivendi".

      First they joined, then they enjoined? Valuable means the same thing as invaluable? What a silly language!

    2. Re:quick English lesson by sglider · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds like an malformed SQL statement. You forgot the ;

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    3. Re:quick English lesson by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      That ain't a word.

      injunct

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    4. Re:quick English lesson by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1
      Isn't it the court that would have enjoined Tremblay?

      It probably should be:

      Ubisoft Gets Injunction against Tremblay from Joining Vivendi

      or

      Tremblay Enjoined from Working for Vivendi
    5. Re:quick English lesson by martian265 · · Score: 1

      Valuable means the same thing as invaluable? What a silly language!

      Valuable and invaluable do not have the same meaning.

      valuable (vl'y--bl, vl'y-) http://www.answers.com/topic/valuable
      adj.

      1. Having considerable monetary or material value for use or exchange: a valuable diamond.
      2. Of great importance, use, or service: valuable information; valuable advice.
      3. Having admirable or esteemed qualities or characteristics: a valuable friend.

      invaluable (n-vl'y--bl) http://www.answers.com/topic/invaluable
      adj.

      Of inestimable value

      I think you meant flammable http://www.answers.com/topic/flammable and inflammable http://www.answers.com/topic/inflammable, which have the same meaning.

      But yes, English can be a very silly language.

    6. Re:quick English lesson by stinerman · · Score: 1

      On the first count ... they mean approximately the same thing.

      On the second count ... yes, they do. Of course, I wanted to spare a possible Simpsons reference. :-)

    7. Re:quick English lesson by Pulse_Instance · · Score: 1

      You wanted to spare a possible Simpsons reference??? You need to tear up your geek card immediately.

    8. Re:quick English lesson by compro01 · · Score: 1

      i'm fairly certain that inflamable is a stronger term than flamable.

      flamable means something will burn

      inflamable means it will BURN

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    9. Re:quick English lesson by Grab · · Score: 1

      Spelling Nazi alert: Two "M"s...

      "Inflammable" is British English usage (although these days they're interchangeable). It means that you can "inflame" it.

      Grab.

    10. Re:quick English lesson by compro01 · · Score: 1

      yes, well, i'm Canadian and we tend to use British spellings for some things. and French spellings also, for that matter.

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  6. unenforceable? by ukpyr · · Score: 1

    I have heard, though I have no idea from who at this moment, that very broad noncompete documents are pretty useless. The theory is that you can't cause someone to forgo their livelyhood. So even though they signed the document, the courts (supposedly) refused to enforce if they cause undue hardship. For example, a noncomp in CS in biosciences may make it fairly impossible for someone to use their 10 years of experience and force them take a lesser position outside of the bioscience domain.

    That seems reasonable, but only because I am in a noncompete that if enforced would cause me much hardship :)

  7. -My- rights online?? by bunions · · Score: 2, Funny

    more like some other guys rights offline, am I right or what?

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    1. Re:-My- rights online?? by JF · · Score: 1

      Wait until they come for you.

    2. Re:-My- rights online?? by bunions · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This whole thing is inane. If you don't like an element of a contract, don't sign it. If you DO sign a contract and think to yourself "this section'll never stand in court" then you can't really complain when you wind up in court.

      I wish him luck, I think NC clauses are dumb, but the last time someone asked me to sign one, I just crossed out that section and went on with my life. He's simply paying the price for signing something he didn't want to agree tol

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    3. Re:-My- rights online?? by Pope · · Score: 1
      the last time someone asked me to sign one, I just crossed out that section and went on with my life

      Ding ding ding! This is the correct response. Contracts are negotiations, if you sign without reading, understanding and accepting everything within, you have no right to bitch later. Next time you find a non-compete that restricts you from working in the same industry AFTER you have left the current company, cross it out. What are they going to do?

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  8. Fun with non-competes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IANAL and I didn't read the RTF, but... ...my understanding is that non-competes are enforceable if they are limited by: 1) time, 2) geographic area, 3) industry.

    So, a non-compete that says you can't work anywhere in the game industry forever would be unenforceable, but one that said you couldn't work for competitors for a certain period of time would be.

    The real question though, is why anyone would sign a contract if they weren't willing to live by it. I signed a non-compete for my current job and I'm totally fine with it. In my previous job, I refused to sign a non-compete because it would have limited my ability to earn a living if they chose to enforce it. I wasn't willing to accept that, so I had it changed before I took the job.

  9. Wal-mart workers in China can be union... by DAldredge · · Score: 1

    http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=4920
    Richard McGregor
    The Financial Times, 23 November 2004

    Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, said on Tuesday it would agree to establish officially-sanctioned unions in its 40-odd Chinese stores, but only if its workers requested that it form one.

    Wal-Mart, which has long battled to keep unions out of its stores in the US and around the world, has been under pressure from the All China Federation of Trade Unions, an official organisation, to allow it to establish branches in its stores.

    1. Re:Wal-mart workers in China can be union... by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      Now I understand why the are no and are unlikely to ever be any wallmart stores in Australia. They would immdediately come under attack from every kind of trade union in Australia. I doubt that could even get a store built for them, let alone start trading from it.

      Not that unions makes much difference in china, trade unions only really exist and function properly in democratic countries, which is the reason why good trade unions put so much effort into ensuring their countries do remain properly democratic.

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  10. A Philosophical Question by Cadef · · Score: 1

    If a made-up science makes up a word, is it still considered a "real" word?

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    1. Re:A Philosophical Question by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry. I forgot this... :-)

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  11. Make Them Pay by Detritus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd like to see the law changed to state that non-competes are only enforceable if the ex-employee is paid full wages and benefits for the period of the non-compete. If they want to keep someone out of the labor market, let them pay for it.

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  12. Similar situation in the US... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My professor here, in this undisclosed location, used to work for a (US) government weapons contractor, and had to sign things stating that anything similar to what he'd done that he ever made in the future, belonged to them. He knew a fellow worker who did tank simulations, then left and tried to make a car crash simulator for an unnamed automotive company, which the government swept in and repo'd, essentially. When my prof. wanted to leave, he went back to school and studied English and now teaches composition classes and stuff. He can't ever really return to engineering, or he's in trouble, and he has to be careful what he writes and teaches about for fear of things like the Patriot Act (although he pretty much flaunts the government and teaches whatever he feels like, to the point where I wonder if my phone is ending up tapped).

    1. Re:Similar situation in the US... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geez, talk about incentive to work for other countries under the table... Governments and big businesses sure know how to drive people to disloyalty, don't they?

  13. Funny, he is FOR non-competes! by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

    While I dislike NCAs, and posted earlier how they may not be seen by the courts favoriably, I've come across an article about how he defended Ubisoft's non-compete agreement when accused by EA for locking up employees by non-competes.

    Funny how the shoe is on the other foot now.

  14. aka Gardening Leave by Pope · · Score: 1

    That's the general term for this sort of thing: you're still technically employed full time by the company and therefore cannot work for another, but you're at home for 2-3 months with no actual responsibilies or duties. So you putter around in the garden :) Not exactly the same as a non-compete, but far more sensible.

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  15. More info... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A little background info for you all : Tremblay was visibly forced out from his position from Ubisoft Montreal. The "owners" started plans for a second studio in Montreal, not under Tremblay's command. A vast number of employes were going to get transfered from the first studio the the second. Of course Tremblay saw that as a huge undermining of his authority, which I believe led to his resignation. Right after his resignation, Ubisoft cancelled plans for the second studio in Montreal. Yannis Mallat was to operate the second studio. Yannis Mallat is now in Tremblay's shows.