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Judges Challenge IP Wiretap Rules

WebHostingGuy writes to mention an MSNBC article on an appeals panel harshly challenging the Bush administration's wiretap policies. New rules from the FCC would make it easier for police and FBI agents to wiretap IP-based phone conversations. From the article: "At [one] point in the hearing, Edwards told the FCC's lawyer that his arguments were 'gobbledygook' and 'nonsense.' The court's decision was expected within several months. In an unrelated case last year affecting digital television, two of the same three judges determined the FCC had significantly exceeded its authority and threw out new government rules requiring anti-piracy devices in new video devices. Lewis was also the losing lawyer in that case, and Edwards also was impassioned then in his criticisms of the FCC."

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  1. gobbledygook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a truly maverick word, not only because it is surprisingly modern and also one whose genesis we can pin down to the day, but also because a maverick coined it --Maury Maverick, a Texan lawyer who was at various times a Democratic Congressman and mayor of San Antonio.

    He used the word in the New York Times Magazine on 21 May 1944, while he was chairman of the US Smaller War Plants Committee in Congress, as part of a complaint against the obscure language used by his colleagues. His inspiration, he said, was the turkey, "always gobbledy gobbling and strutting with ludicrous pomposity". The word met a clear need and quickly became part of the language. It is sometimes abbreviated slightly to gobbledygoo.

  2. Those poor judges. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    They had so much to live for, but now they're all about to die soon in mysterious accidents. Let's hope the widows receive hams or something.

  3. Judge Edwards..... by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 4, Funny

    why do you hate America?

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    1. Re:Judge Edwards..... by lucky130 · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...Commie!

      Oh wait, I mean...Terrorist! :)

  4. Actually, wait for ad hominem attacks on Edwards. by FatSean · · Score: 3, Funny

    You know, he's a damn activist judge who's putting pesky rights and fruity ideals in the way of keeping the nation safe for obese children and their fear-stricken parents.

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  5. Woopty Freekin Doo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    an appeals panel harshly challenging the Bush administration's wiretap policies

    Well, woopty freakin doo! Get in line with all the rest of the "harsh challengers to the Bush administration". But, when it comes down to the wire the administration will mandate it to "save us from terrorists", invoke executive privilege, or send the detractors to Gitmo for suspicion of "wrong thinking".

    AYVABTU - All your VoIP are belong to the U.S. get use to it!

    1. Re:Woopty Freekin Doo! by QuantumRiff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Wrong thinking" is not the correct words. The words your looking for is ThoughtCrime

      Am I the only one who is noticing the trend of NewSpeak being used lately? Maybe not by definition, but definately by purpose.

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  6. Jon Stewart quote by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Jon Stewart: Tonight, our focus is on Television! Today, the FCC wanted to impose the same decency standards that apply to broadcast television as they do to cable.
    [audience boos]
    Jon Stewart: To which many people said, "Uh, f*ck that guy!".

    (Yes, the "*" is added for irony.)

  7. Problem Solvers by Skadet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, the problem I see in corporations a lot is that there are very few true problem solvers in positions of influence.

    This is a great example. Why make the ISPs ("providers of broadband internet service" in TFA) comply with wiretap laws? Why make universities retrofit their data networks?

    Ok, so the FCC wants wiretapping to be possible. Here's a novel idea: Make the companies that write the software for VoIP be wiretap-compliant. Write a special wiretap program. Give it to the government. Or, write an interface and let the government access it with a warrant, whatever (please don't critique the privacy issues here, that's not my point).

    The point is -- the FCC wants to do something. They have a problem that needs to be solved. Their "solution" is retarded. There are no true problem solvers here.

  8. Re:Actually, wait for ad hominem attacks on Edward by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Funny
    From TFA:
    "There's nothing to suggest that in the statute," Edwards replied. "Stating that doesn't make it so."

    > Actually, wait for ad hominem attacks on Edward
    >
    >You know, he's a damn activist judge who's putting pesky rights and fruity ideals in the way of keeping the nation safe for obese children and their fear-stricken parents.

    Edwards oldthinker! Edwards unbellyfeel Amsoc! E

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  9. Re:You Are Not Getting My Beer! by Atomm · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh HELL!

    I can't put "less than" and 3 together?

    OK, fine....

    I HEART Judge Edwards!

  10. Re:You Are Not Getting My Beer! by ch-chuck · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sure you can: I <3 Judge Edwards!

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  11. Re:You Are Not Getting My Beer! by stinerman · · Score: 2, Funny

    For those of you wondering how he did that (and I know there's a lot of you out there):

    instead of '<', use:

    & lt;

    (minus the space)

  12. Stay in your cage, DoJ. by Handpaper · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Justice Department, which has lobbied aggressively on the subject..

    What is the DoJ, a government agency, doing lobbying anyone over anything?
    AFAIK, their remit is to enforce the law by prosecuting criminals. That's it. Enforce the law as it stands.
    Not attempt to make it or influence its makers.

    1. Re:Stay in your cage, DoJ. by pete6677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but they need to create more work for themselves to justify a bigger budget, which is why they "lobby" to criminalize more things. Activity like this is the sole reason why the drug war continues; because this group would have too much to lose from decriminalization.

  13. Re:You Are Not Getting My Beer! by Stradenko · · Score: 3, Funny

    Minus the space...bah!
    to get "&lt;" use "&amp;lt;" ... now there's no need to minus a space.

  14. The Founders by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2, Funny

    strike again!

  15. Bush White House enforces law if it pleases them. by Tungbo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Laws? We don't need no stinking laws!"

    Check out the article below on why GWB has not vetoed a SINGLE bill in his 6 years of presidency.

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/artic les/2006/01/04/bush_could_bypass_new_torture_ban/

    The answer: "why bother when we can just ignore them...."

  16. The court does good here, but... by dada21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I appreciate justices who understand their job is to restrain the Federal government from trampling the rights of the individual, and in this case it looks like they're doing their job. Kudos and positive feedback.

    I don't know if just restraining is enough anymore. When someone breaks a law, they can go to jail or pay a hefty fine. Why is it that Congress and the President can break their oath to uphold the Constitution's restrictions on their power and there is no real penalty?

    Maybe it is time to penalize repeat offenders who vote for and pass (and don't veto) for unconstitutional laws. The voting booth is not enough to prevent future intrusions. A judge can sentence me to jail for breaking my oath to follow the law, the same should be true for those creating the laws.

  17. The FCC is perpetually exceeding its authority by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The FCC's business is making sure transmission equipment meets its technical specifications, doesn't interfere with other transmission equipment and that communication is not interrupted or tampered with.

    So where does that snooping come in? I can't see it in their profile.

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  18. "Last name, Crane; first name, Denny." by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Edwards told the FCC's lawyer that his arguments were 'gobbledygook' and 'nonsense.'

    Not "jibberjabber" and "poopycock"?

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  19. Re:You Are Not Getting My Beer! by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 2, Funny

    And to get "&amp;amp;lt;" use "&amp;amp;amp;lt;"

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  20. Lol: problem solved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As nice and reasonable as the judges could be, they can do nothing about addressing the root problem of this case: The Republican dominance of our Democracy.
    Here is what is wrong:
    You are absolutely correct. Remember that:
    1) The House is controlled by the Republicans
    2) The Senate is controlled by the Republicans
    3) The White House is controlled by the Republicans
    4) The Supreme Court is now controlled by the Republicans

    As a result Democrats have no legislative power, no subpoena power, no power to hold hearings, no swearing in the witnesses, no impeachment stick to protect the Constitution.

    Hence you have the NSA spying, wiretaps, "sneak and peak" PATRIOT ACTism

    I hope you will remember that come November elections by both voting, AND donating $$$. A little money can go a long way here