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Rain Drops Signal Cell Phones

An anonymous reader writes "Signals from mobile phone masts have been used to measure rainfall patterns in Israel, scientists report. From the BBC article: 'The University of Tel-Aviv analyzed information routinely collected by mobile networks and say their technique is more accurate than current methods used by meteorological services. The data is a by-product of mobile network operators' need to monitor signal strength. If bad weather causes a signal to drop, an automatic system analyzing the data boosts the signal to make sure that people can still use their mobile phones. The amount of reduction in signal strength gave the researchers an indication of how much rain had fallen.'"

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  1. what was that? by celardore · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sorry what was that? The signals patchy, with some sunny spells towards the afternoon...

  2. Headline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it just me, or are the headlines for some articles just downright incomprehensible?

    What does "Rain Drops Signal Cell Phones" actually mean? Are individual raindrops sending signals to cell phones? Did they actually mean that rain drops (degrades) cell phone signals? No, apparently they meant that cell phone signals can detect rain drops... and unless my ability to parse english is somewhat broken, the headline simply doesn't say that.

    I wouldn't mention this if it didn't happen at least once a week. I'm forced to spend a good ten seconds in a state of frustrated confusion as my brain struggles to comprehend absolute gibberish.

    1. Re:Headline? by Elemenope · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's why I generally don't bother anymore. I just skip to the synopsis, which, while often containing lies, damned lies, distortions, exaggerations, editorial, and occasionally even statistics, is usually nevertheless not gibberish. Why spend ten seconds confused when you could be spending twenty seconds disgusted?

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      All the techniques ever used to make men moral have been themselves thoroughly immoral... (Nietzsche)
    2. Re:Headline? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, they meant "Fireplace Ladder Telephone Sandwich Tree".

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      No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
  3. The weatherman? by RealGrouchy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I always knew not to trust the weatherman, but you're telling me to trust the cell phone people now? I don't think I can handle *that*.

    - RG>

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    Hey pal, this isn't a pleasantforest, so don't waste my time with pleasantries!
  4. Re:turbo button for cell phone reception by Gordonjcp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, there's an upper legal limit on effective transmitted power, but often a sector is run at lower power to reduce interference with neighbouring sectors.

    If you find you're getting a drop in signal due to rain fade, you can bump it up a bit. Most stuff uses ATPC (automatic transmit power control) so does it by itself, but you can get graphs off it with SNMP.

  5. Feature Creep. by RoffleTheWaffle · · Score: 4, Funny

    First, cellular phones were just that - cellular phones.

    Then came the ringtones and other customization features, and those were fun to toy with.

    Then there was web-browsing, which was even cooler, and actually served to make the phone more useful.

    Then came the cameras for still-image and video capture - why for nobody knows, but people love it anyway.

    Given all of that neat stuff, and the increasingly computer-like nature of cellular phones, what's the next feature on the horizon, you ask?

    Portable weather stations. It just makes sense.

  6. Details of TFA--it uses the backhaul link by dtmos · · Score: 4, Informative

    The key point not brought out in TFA is that the rainfall prediction scheme is not based on the link from the handset to the cell tower, but on the wireless backhaul links of the cellular system. The backhaul link is the link from the cell tower to the rest of the world (or at least the phone system of the rest of the world)--in many places in the world it is fiber or some other line, but increasingly often it, too, is wireless, using something called digital fixed radio systems (DFRS; check out standard EN 301 751 at ETSI).

    The wireless backhaul links are much better for the meterological application than the handset link, because:
    (a) It's a fixed link; since the cell towers don't move, like the handsets do, the location of the link, and therefore the rain, is known, and
    (b) It's at a much higher frequency. The DFRS links used in this paper are at 8-23 GHz, much higher than the 0.8-1.9 GHz (depending on your local regulatory environment) of the handset link. This is important because rain attenuation increases as the signal frequency increases; it would be quite difficult to reliably detect rain fades at the handset frequencies (although in a bad enough storm--a cyclone comes to mind--it's probably possible; TFA notes the anecdotal evidence of fading television signals in bad weather).

    I note in passing that the web-based supplimental material to the article references a US patent application, # 60/698,491.