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Growing Diamonds for Better Information Security

hip2b2 writes "NetworkWorld is running an article that describes how a University of Melbourne research group is developing technology to make fiber optics communications more secure. The technology is based on Quantum Cryptography principles and requires than absolutely only one photon gets sent at any given time. Today, fiber optic systems do not send one photon at a time. They only approximate it. This makes current systems unsuitable for their secure communications technology. Therefore, the group uses artificially grown diamonds to achieve this."

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  1. I can see it now... by layer3switch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Quantum Cryptography Field will be soon swarmed with females. INGENIUS! University of Melbourne research group just came up with an answer for the problem on this total sausage party we have going on with CS department.

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  2. Vaporware that is real by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Grown diamonds are literally vaporware - but chemical vapor deposition is the interesting and relatively cheap way to do it. The old cheap way to make artificial diamonds was to blow things up (DuPont method), but the optical properties were no good.

  3. No popups by Kangburra · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's the actual University of Melbourne article from four days ago.

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  4. People have been growing diamonds for years. by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a few companies growing gem quality diamonds. Gemesis, Chatham Created Gems and Apollo. Gradually as production increases for industrial and jewelery purposes the market value of diamonds as gems will decrease.

    Not that diamonds really have much value as gems anyway, have you ever tried to sell a second hand diamond ring?

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  5. Re:They wont like this... by bmo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Er, "artificial" diamonds are just as real as "real" diamonds. It's a face-centered cubic carbon crystal lattice whether transported up from the mantle by geological forces or manufactured.

    DeBeers will give you all sorts of fud saying that they will eventually have a process for telling the difference between the two, but they won't. Ever.

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  6. Re:They wont like this... by BitchKapoor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    DeBeers will give you all sorts of fud saying that they will eventually have a process for telling the difference between the two, but they won't. Ever.

    Actually, they do: excavated diamonds have more lattice defects and impurities than manufactured diamonds.

  7. Using Diamonds Over FIber for Key Exchange? Huh? by Proudrooster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First-generation products will be for very secure transmission of secure datasets, like a bank's daily offsite backup, but could serve the commodity networking market in about 20 years, Huntington said. It's a low transfer rate but idea is not to send data [this way] but the encryption key so you don't need the same transfer rate. One of the consortium's goals is to enhance that as much as possible. If you can securely transfer the key you can transfer the rest of that data over a standard telco line, he said.

    So let me get this straight. The article implies: 1) I can build a secure fiber line between two points and to transfer a key, one photon at a time; and 2) once the key is transferred, I can then use standard telco lines. If I am going to the trouble to build a custom fiber optic network between two points that works with diamond lasers, why would I use telco lines? Conversely, if I don't build my own point to point fiber for key transmission then I run the risk of man-in-the-middle stealing my keys since the middle will have repeaters which can regenerate these 'secure photons'.
    I say to you, this makes no sense. Why not just put 52 keys on a thumb drive or CD (one for each week of the year) and send it via a secure courier and then use telco lines for transmission? This looks like yet another ruse to get research money under the guise of quantum cryptography.

  8. Re:Using Diamonds Over FIber for Key Exchange? Huh by centie · · Score: 3, Informative

    The point of building/using a quantum channel (the fibre line) is to solve the key distribution problem, it cannot be used to send data. Why? Firstly in the protocol used for checking for eavesdroppers you end up discarding around 3/4 of the photons sent, with no way of predicting which ones, and secondly you really need to be sending random data to make it completly secure. The result is both parties end up with a random key, and you know with absolute certainty that no-one else has it. Compare with your "use a courier and a CD" method (which some places do currently use), where you cannot know if someones managed to make of copy of the CD during transport, and also cannot guarantee CD has been kepy securly (during the year (in your suggestion) its kept).

    Once you have your key though, the can use the Vernam cipher (one time pad) which is provably unbreakable, to send the actual data over a standard telco line, copletly securely.

    Conversely, if I don't build my own point to point fiber for key transmission then I run the risk of man-in-the-middle stealing my keys since the middle will have repeaters which can regenerate these 'secure photons'

    I suggest you read about quantum cryptography more (wikipedias probably good).. pretty much the entire point of it is that you cannot just intercept and resend the photons without being detected. What you can do, if each laser pulse actually contains two identical photons is split one off and keep/measure that, without being detected. Hence the importance of single photon sources (which this research is in).

  9. Re:Anything can be stolen by fosterNutrition · · Score: 3, Informative

    As I understand it, but of course I am not a quantum crypto researcher, the idea is that this is secure because your premise of "If something can be read, and written - it can be copied." does not hold true.

    The idea is that with these quantum particles you are transmitting the data by means of the "spin" property of the particles, rather than simple on/off pulses. The key point is that by measuring the spin you affect it and change it completely, meaning that anyone at the other end will know, because all their data will be garbled.

    This method doesn't stop someone from listening in, but if they do so, all parties involved will know and can just avoid using the compromised keys. If, however, you don't listen in on the key transmission, the data can then be sent encrypted and you are out of the loop once again.

    Of course, as someone said, a repeater makes this all pointless.

  10. Re:Anything can be stolen by centie · · Score: 4, Informative
    As i understand it...

    No no and no. I'm not meaning to be harsh but everything you said is misunderstood. The point is not to achieve security by doing things really slowly, the point of quantum cryptograhpy (wikipedias quite good) is that if anyone intercepts your photons/information, you know about it. So you can resend the information, using a differenet channel, whatever. It is very important in crypto to be able to guarantee that no-one else has your key.

    If something can be read, and written - it can be copied

    Entirely true in the classical, everyday world, and you'd think so on small scales (individual photons/atoms) too.. but actually wrong. Quantum states cannot be coppied (no cloning theorem). This is where the security of quamtum cryptography lies. There's nothing to stop someone from eavesdropping on your fibre, but if they do intercept anything you know about it. The only way they can get information without you knowing is if you accidently send the information twice, ie two photons in a pulse instead of one. Thats where this research is useful, its anything but pointless.

    I don't see how transmitting single photons at a time as opposed to the millions used today would give a speed increase, the fastest quantum cryptography demonstrated so far achieved a rate of 500b/s, compared to 500Mb/s for normal fibre communication. It's only real purpose is cryptography.

  11. Re:They wont like this... by The_Laughing_God · · Score: 4, Informative
    For many years, starting in 1975, IIRC, the Financial Times of London) did an annual survey of resale values of gem diamonds, by getting offers on actual gems and jewelry from a variety of jewellers and other gem sources. (I believe they still do these periodically, but not annually) They found the 'base value' was about 50% of the "appraised value", even from the originall seller, and actual cash offers were as little as half of the base value. Since then many marketing gimmicks have spread ("Guaranteed to appraise at twice the sale price", "We will buy your diamond back at any time"), but all have had some catch

    (e.g. the 'buyback' may not be cash on the barrelhead, but instead a credit towards a more expensive diamond, making it an upgrade, not a refund. This is very profitable for the jeweller, enabling them to effectively sell you the gem you can afford now vs. a decade ago, to collect additional revenue, while recouping the full 'buyback' price by selling the 'returned' diamond to a new customer at full price)

    Appraised price is meaningless and unattainable, making diamonds a poor investment for those outside the trade.

  12. Re:They wont like this... by bmo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Actually, they do: excavated diamonds have more lattice defects and impurities than manufactured diamonds."

    And that's what scares the diamond dealers the most. The most expensive diamonds are the ones that are so-called perfect. High quality manufactured diamonds could easily bring down the inflated value of the very top end diamonds.

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