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Politicians Target Social Sites For Restrictions

cnet-declan writes "Politicians are looking for reasons to convince citizens to vote in November, and polls say suburban parents are worried about the internet. Wednesday top House Republicans announced a bill to make 'social' Web sites unreachable from schools and libraries. The bill is intended to go after MySpace, but the actual text of the legislation covers sites that let users 'create profiles' and have a 'forum' for conversations -- which would include Slashdot and many blog sites. House Speaker Dennis Hastert claims it's necessary to stop 'dangerous predators' out here on the Interweb."

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  1. Well that explains Murdoch/Clinton. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well that explains why Rupert Murdoch, the richest & most influential media owner in the world (owner of Fox and myspace.) has ended years of Clinton hating and started cosying up to Hilary Clinton.

    Utterly fascinating - he's a powerful, ruthless, pragmatic man, normally the kind of person who gets along perfectly with the current republican administration - but it looks like the christian right's prediliction for censorship is starting to ruffle his feathers.

    Anyway, for anyone unlucky enough to be using internet access in a library, I'm sure the circumvention techniques good for the great firewall of china will work inside the US as well. Maybe the BoingBoing guide to evading censorware will be useful too.

    Oh - on a side note, check out the spoof Rupert Murdoch Myspace Profiles

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  2. And this a problem by denissmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those who have nothing to say will have nothing to fear!

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  3. It's that time again... by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ah yes, it's another year divisible by two, as you can tell by the haunting call of the red-breasted politician:
    Won't somebody think of the children?
    Won't somebody think of the children???

    From TFA:
    Fitzpatrick and fellow Republicans, including House Speaker Dennis Hastert, on Wednesday endorsed new legislation that would cordon off access to commercial Web sites that let users create public "Web pages or profiles" and also offer a discussion board, chat room, or e-mail service.


    That's a rather wide range, and a quick perusal of the web (Google is your friend) gives ample reason why this is such a moronic idea:


    And from Speaker Hastert's statement:
    We've all heard stories of children on some of these social websites meeting up with dangerous predators.
    Well, we've heard stories of various congresscritters involved in all sorts of shenanigans....perhaps we'd better just outlaw Congress.

    Now, I'm not trying to deny that online predators exist and are a problem, but a better solution than a draconian ban on all discussion-type websites might be to actually educate your child about the danger...after all, the predator can't molest your child through the computer, and if a child knows better than to give out sensitive info, it's over before it begins. But of course, parents would rather have our legislature raise their children than take a little responsibility themselves, and the legislature is more than willing to pander to the irrationality of the general populace, especially in a year divisible by two. The problem with this approach is that everyone gets treated like stupid children that need to be protected, and that's unfair to those who still have their wits about them (although they seem to be in the minority).
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  4. More of nothing by hsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What do you expect these politicians to do, something worth while? We have budgets busting the income of the government, we are gushing in debt. We have 2 wars which aren't close to being over. We have looming social security problems and even worse is the pending Medicare problem (slated to go bankrupt in only 10 years!). Yet, our worthless, and i mean worthless in ever meaning of the word, politicans are more worried about restricting myspace. Maybe they should starting thinking of the children's FUTURE, being able to have a country.

    Idiots.

  5. Targeted at minors not adults by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the FA, which again a Slashdot submitter seems to have not actually read:

    ... a proposed federal law that would effectively require most schools and libraries to render those Web sites inaccessible to minors ...

    Note the use of the word minors here. If you want to argue whether or not minors should be prevented from accessing sites like Slashdot, that's fine, but the article doesn't say at all that adults will be prevented from accessing those sites.

  6. Dangerous indeed to politicians by Bullfish · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really, if you think about it, there are predators out there that will use such pages and forums to gather their forces to go after some of these poiliticians and get them out of office. It must be very scary for this guy and his ilk indeed.

  7. Re:So the purpose of the government.. by Cheapy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So who protects the people from their government?

    Guns. Lots of guns.

    Just as guns can be used to repress people, they can be used to free people.

    Of course, then the whole "throne of bayonets" thing comes into play...

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  8. Why does common sense stop when a computer is by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    involved?

    I guess this is yet another "save the children" campaign.

    But guess what? Most people that abuse children are trusted friends or family members, not some slashdot geek in his mom's basement in Maine going after the poor children looking at websites at the library in California.

    The problem is not MySpace or Slashdot, its that the US is full of lonely scared sick people that take it out of the easiest victims that they can, children. And although it is pretty common to do minor pedophilia, severe and chronic abuse is very rare.

    So brilliant legislators, what is next? Outlawing telephones, children in public places, school, libraries, music, TV, well, everything besides the privilege of paying taxes?

    Dipshits.

    Keep taking our liberties, and you will understand what the 2nd amendment is all about.

  9. Does not compute by patio11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you want less nannying regarding the Internet, why on earth would you vote for Hillary Clinton? She and Joe Lieberman are frequently to the right of Republicans on most "civil liberties in tech" issues -- check out their broadsides against the gaming industry, etc.

    1. Re:Does not compute by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hillary Clinton and Lieberman are definatly against free speech and expression. They have both launched wars against videogames, the arts, media and the internet in reguards to free speech and ideas.

      I would hate to see Hillary as a president. Leiberman may lose his seat soon in CT. I hope so.

      I'm not a republican or a conservative... I just hate these 2 people, and want to see real American's elected to office. The kind that stand up for free speech, expression and have the fucking courage to tell Americans "NO" like the big babies we are. We need someone to remind us all of what AMERICA is about...

      Tolerance... freedom... and a peaceful way of life... not dictated by religion, corporations, or wealth...

      I'm tired of the two Americas... the one for the rich, and the one for the poor... Where the laws dont really apply to the rich... and the poor are looked upon as criminals by default.

      Hillary and Joe are the kind of wealthy social elites that are disconnected from reality. Their idea of "America" is their happy wealthy communities, where they feel above those of us who enjoy violent movies, porn, and all kinds of language...

      They feel they have to save us from ourselves.... they know better than we do.... They know what America should be for you and I...

      No fucking thanks.

      Tolerance and Freedom... Tolerance comes first

    2. Re:Does not compute by Gadgetfreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's not forget Al Gore's wife Tipper... she vehemently led the crusade for the 'obscene lyrics' music warning labels. Wonder what she'd have done if Myspace were around in the early '90s.

      Generally, I'm a pretty conservative guy... but I see different things in "liberal" and "conservative" than most general people do. To me, the worst thing GW Bush has done (besides making piss poor executive decisions) is given the impression that conservatives/republican folks are conservative as a result of religious beliefs. And for many, that's true... but that's just not the case across the board. Not nearly so.

      The biggest issue I have with the typical liberal camp is that they seem to operate with the concept that the general population are a bunch of imbiciles that don't know what they want, and cannot take care of themselves. Al Gore and John Kerry just spoke with such a patronizing tone that seemed to indicate that they wanted people to just go to work, and the gov't will spoonfeed them and shelter them. I always see Slashdot as a pretty liberal group... but many of us forget that we're also quite well educated compared to average, and generally quite capable of planning for retirement, finding a job with health care, and looking after our children's online activities.

      On issues like MySpace, you see people in certain political parties coming full circle... so left they're right, and vice-versa. Nobody wants to give the opinion that they're not taking action against people that prey on kids... but nobody wants to infringe on free speech. So you get a complicated mix of "everyone fend for themseles/parents make sure you're doing your job/don't be naive and use common sense" and the typical ignorant crowd that always screams out "This is an outrage! Someone ought to make a law! What's being done to protect me!" It's difficult to actually label which choice is liberal, and which is conservative, 'cause it just isn't clear anymore... it's always tough when free speech/expression is used by a criminal. You can take the gun from the potential killer, but can you take the speech from a potential social offender?

      Unfortunately, when you leave things up to individuals, there are always people who drop the ball. But when the latter group screams out "someone else ought to do something" you end up with a lot of stupid laws.

      Lieberman is my senator... and I've never voted for him, because in the years I've been old enough to vote, he seems to have lost direction and given into the passing political outcries. He's a smart guy, but now he's just blowing in the wind.

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  10. The government IS the people. by khasim · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Voting means nothing, and I think 50% of Americans don't vote probably because they realize this.
    Voting means everything. If you want change, you vote for the people who will make the change.
    Either way the government will end up extorting/stealing my money.
    The "government" is not some amorphous entity. It is a collection of individuals that were voted into office (and the people that those people appoint).

    If you want a different government, you vote for different people.

    It's as simple as that.
  11. Phoenix by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The question is what kind of phoenix will ascend from its ashes? The usual fire bird has tanks, guns, and conducts elections at pistol-point.

    As another poster mentioned, this is the reason for the second amendment. It's just ironic that liberals might be leading the pack in wishing that it hadn't been all but repealed.

    Where were the privacy rights guys when people wanted gun registrations? Now the government has lists of who could oppose, and they'll be the first to go when the red bird rises.

    People have been so divided by this "Conservative" and "Liberal" false separation that they refuse to think about the implications of each. We're all guilty of unquestioningly accepting dogma that someone tells us is consistent with our particular "faith". The evidence is the apparent absence of "moderates" in America.

    So here's the revolution: Stop thinking in terms of Liberal and Conservative. Stop letting other people speak for you and think for you. Re-think your beliefs, and know WHY you believe what you do.

    I think most intelligent people would understand that disarming the populace is the first step of any dictatorship, and it's only now, when something that always seemed impossible in the U S of A now seems frighteningly plausible, that people will see the obvious. That's also when it's too late.

    The irony is that liberals may have set the stage for a conservative dictatorship.

  12. Re:The 2nd Amendment. by east+coast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Voting means nothing, and I think 50% of Americans don't vote probably because they realize this.

    Maybe it's the other way around; maybe voting means nothing because 50% of the public is too stupid to take up their part of the process. Maybe it's these kinds of people who let things get bad because their too gutless to take 5 minutes out of their busy day and let their elected officals know what they're thinking.

    Everyone who cries that they're screwed (by the government) and that there is no way to change things are right... as long as you keep sitting on your stoop and crying "poor me" you're not going to change anything.

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  13. Re:Predators, smedators by Gattman01 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I've substitute taught, and I'm in favor of this legislation just to keep kids from wasting their computer time at school on networking sites and trying to one-up each other. They should ban yahoo mail while they're at it.


    This should NOT be enforced by the government.
    It SHOULD be enforced by teacher/librarian watching the room and possibly filtering on the school level.

    Extra legislation to make people do what they are already suppose to be doing?

    This is a school-level issue. The school/district should make their rules and enforce them.
  14. Re:WTF? O.o by Billosaur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's been this way since time immemorial. Teenagers are the great misunderstood masses. Their problems are hard for them to deal with because the shine of them being little kids has worn off, but their parents and other adults won't take them seriously.

    And kids have been trying to talk about their problems in social groups forever. Now they have a place to do it that allows teens from far and away to share their feelings and try to make sense of their world, and maybe just maybe form some kind of lasting connection that will help them later in life.

    Can't have that.

    Listen, there have been sexual predators out for kids as long as all this has been going on. Does anyone honestly thing locking down MySpace is going to make them go away? They'll just go back to cruising the streets or hanging out around arcades, movie theatres, and convenience stores. If a sexual predator wants something, he/she will get it, Internet or no.

    I think if we were better parents, talked to our teens, treated them like people and not possessions, we wouldn't have to worry about them hanging out in social networks. They might actually be able to take care of themselves. One thing I know: Congress can't run the country, let alone raise my children.

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  15. Proservatives by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does anyone have any excuse left for voting for Republicans because they represent "small government", "no intrusion into personal affairs" or any of the "Conservative" lies they've spewed for decades to grab power and squander American freedom?

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