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Sun Says Java Source Already Available

mjdroner writes "In an InfoWorld article, Java CTO James Gosling says that source code for Java has been available for 10 years. Gosling claims Java is close to an open source model, though discounts Sun joining the Eclipse Foundation. He goes on to say that Eclipse's endorsement of the standard widget toolkit destroyed interoperability, saying it's based on the windows API, making it problematic to run on other platforms."

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  1. WAKE UP! by ThePhilips · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Somebody! Please over there at Sun!!! Do not give that grass to Gosling "The Father of Java" anymore!!!! Or my heart would definitely break.

    "Java is already open source for 10 years" and "Eclipse destroyed interoperability" is... *NO* *COMMENTS*.

    Sun for last ten years - and 6 versions of Java - jumped from one application field to another. Sun's lack of the focus - and Gosling sayings confirm that lack - is sole reason for the problems of Java. Companies just can't trust Sun at that point. (*)

    Eclipse claims are just plainly laughable. And in fact one of the most spoken problems of Java and Sun's control over Java. Since Java slowly moved to server side of computing, Sun payed less and less attention to the one simple thing - GUI. There is no standard Java GUI API. Period. People tried what is shipped with Java SDK - AWT & Swing - shivered and moved on. Plainly unusable. In fact, I do not know single successful Java GUI application which uses Java's native GUI toolkits. Eclipse foundation just did what it had to - filled the gap. Now we have GUI toolkit. Which is quite performant, usable on Windows/Linux/BSD/Mac. And people are pretty happy about it. Even me. And many applications already use it (Azureus as an example pops up in my head). Check the http://www.eclipse.org/swt/community.php for more.

    P.S. Original article includes the pointer that Sun's planing to try assault on embedded space again. Good Luck Gosling. You freaking need it.

    (*) My company wanted to standartize of Java, but backed off the plans. Middle management wanted Java for its stable and rich development environment. R&D manager flat out refused since Java is in fact closed source and there is no sence in adding another dependency to the already huge software package we have. And nobody can assure us what Sun will do tommorow - what if they drop support for M$ Windows?? There is *no* competing Java implementations. And there is no standard for Java.

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  2. Re:We're beyond Java these days. by kiwipom · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    WTF! Do you actually have a job or are you 14 and living with your parents? You've obviously got 0 understanding of the real world, or your just too dim to be anything but a script kiddy. PS. I'm not new here, just fed up with script kiddies ;-)

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