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There Is No 'Microsoft of Linux'?

SDenmark writes "Linux Format has an interview with Greg Mancusi-Ungaro, the director of Linux and OSS marketing at Novell. Asked if any company can become the 'Microsoft of Linux', Greg responds "Well, if we ever woke up one day and said 'Wow, Novell is the Microsoft of Linux' or 'Red Hat is the Microsoft of Linux', then the Linux movement would be over." Is he right -- is the open source world free from such possibilities? Greg also discusses the internal Novell migration to Linux."

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  1. Is he right? by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, it depends what you mean by "Microsoft of Linux".

    Essentially, the problem with this is its an analogy with too many unspecified terms

    foo:Linux :: Microsoft:bar

    There is no way to know what "the Microsoft of Linux" is supposed to mean.

  2. Open Source != Linux by guitaristx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Asked if any company can become the 'Microsoft of Linux', Greg responds "Well, if we ever woke up one day and said 'Wow, Novell is the Microsoft of Linux' or 'Red Hat is the Microsoft of Linux', then the Linux movement would be over." Is he right -- is the open source world free from such possibilities?

    Linux is only a subset of what open source has to offer. There's much more to open-source than Linux. A pedantic note, maybe, but I'm tired of the "open source = linux" thinking that pervades the business realm and even leaks over into the IT realm.

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  3. As big, but not as controlling by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A linux company can certainly become huge, like Microsoft. But they'll never get the same level of control. One vendor can remain far ahead of the rest on features and support, but a competitor can easily appear with a completely compatible product.

    The only issue would be for proprietary software sold on top of Linux. That would hinder competition. But there will probably never be a proprietary killer app only distributed by one linux vendor on their own distro. And even if there was competitors today will be quick to create a similar application. Today it's not like the environment Microsoft grew up in.

  4. Backwards by Golias · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If any company starts making enough money by selling Linux distributions, that's not an indication that the movement is "over." It's an indication that the movement is "complete."

    By calling somebody "the Microsoft of Linux", perhaps they mean that one vendor is dominant enough to dictate industry standard practices, such as it once seemed would be the case with the Red Hat package manager. While it would certainly be possible for somebody to come along and push things in a certain direction, standards-breaking usually works against your best interests.

    Besides, the Linux desktop revolution is pretty much over anyway, isn't it? The vast majority of those who want a *nixy desktop can just buy a Mac these days. There will still be a large cult of die-hards runing Gentoo as their day-in and day-out personal workstation OS, just as there were those in the late 90's who would cling for dear life to their OS/2 and Amiga boxen, but it seems like it's been a couple years since there has been any real appearance of growing momentum behind putting Linux on everybody's desk.

    Linux these days is an incredibly well-respected enterprise OS... to the point that it has driven several "real" POSIX-compliant Unices out of existance. But as a desktop solution, it never really advanced beyond the playgrounds of serious geeks, and it doesn't really look to me like it ever will.

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    1. Re:Backwards by mardukvmbc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I just switched my home PC from XP to Linux recently. It's not just used by me, but my wife and sometimes by my 3 year old son. Here's my reasons for switching, in order of importance:
      1. Vista. I don't want to be forced into "upgrading" to Vista the way I was forced into upgrading to XP just so the new versions of software run. Why don't I want Vista? The ridiculous hardware requirements and the wacky Microsoft licencing issues.
      2. Security. I'm sick and tired of cleaning my system out of spyware and adware.
      3. Control. I have far more control over what is happening on the machine in Linux than I did under XP.
      4. I was running 90% open source software anyway. Once you've switched to Firefox and OpenOffice, what difference does the OS make? I don't play video games on my PC (that's what the PS2 and big screen are for).

      I'm no OS religious nut. I spend half of my time writing .NET code at work. At home, I just want something nice, stable, fast, and reliable. I could've bought a mac, but the hardware I had was fine for the job.

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  5. IBM IS the Microsoft of Linux by NewWorldDan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really, because I tend to think of IBM as the Microsoft of Linux. Or maybe the McDonalds of Linux. In any event, they've got the problem solved: There's not much money to be made in putting together a distro. On the other hand, they're raking it in on hardware and services.

  6. not the same thing by penguin-collective · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not going to happen. Microsoft manages to keep its position by keeping the barriers to entry high through a bunch of approaches: aggressive marketing, bundling, tying, loss leaders, proprietary formats and APIs, and monopolistic practices.

    Open source is about keeping barriers to entry low. If a Linux company had 90% of the market, it would be because 90% of the market actually chose them freely, and they'd only keep that market share as long as they did a good job because anybody can take the system, fork it, and compete.

    (I know that Microsoft advocates often argue that people chose Microsoft freely, too, but it's clear that that's not the whole truth. The great majority of their users probably doesn't have a choice, either because they don't know anything else, or because they are locked in in some way.)

  7. Re:not until.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Right... and Apple was never going to switch to Intel...

  8. What a great question by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Sorry, guys... philosopher by training so I might get abstract here.

    Microsoft is the microsoft of software, obviously. What does it mean to be the "microsoft" of something, though? I think it means to provide a very specific service: hiding complexity. I'm reminded of Neal Stephenson's analysis of what the Windows startup routine looks like to the user, as against that of Linux. If you're used to a blue screen that says "Here comes Windows! Aren't you happy?" then the screen output while Linux starts up is going to look broken.

    What would it mean to hide the complexity of Linux? Ubuntu, Linspire, et. al. sorta do this, but note:

    Hidden Linux is not Linux. It's very nature is to be transparent. Linspire and Ubuntu are still Linuces b/c it is still possible to get in there and fiddle with the code. What they hide (or rather, de-emphasize) is simply the 'invitation' to come in and fiddle.

    So if being-microsoft means "making it easy to do the lowest-common-denominator things with software" then there will be one of those for Linux.

    But if it means "achieving the above by limiting what the user can do, and what she can modify" there cannot be one.

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  9. Re:In a nutshell... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not true at all.

    Linux is a kernel. There's absolutely nothing stopping a large company from putting a proprietary desktop on top, maybe an active directory server, some nice business friendly stuff and selling it as a specific version. Other distributions would either have to (a) ship the proprietary binaries, or (b) try to copy them (quite a difficult task - look at how long samba has been going and it still has issues).

  10. Re:not until.... by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This BS again.

    "touching up" the desktop side of things isn't the point. Never really was.

    This is the "Caldera Fallacy". The main problem that Linux faces against Windows is that it doesn't have all of the 3rd parties that support Windows doing the same for Linux. A prettier wifi configurator isn't going to help so long as the wifi drivers aren't there to begin with.

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  11. I'll give you a different reply by freeweed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Firstly, you could try running a version of Linux that's less than 3 years old, but as the comparison to the now 5 years old XP will be made, I'll grant you that one.

    Mostly though, you should understand that compiling programs from source is simply a stupid idea in both Linux AND Windows. No one in their right mind would try to manually compile Firefox for Windows and then try to sort out dependency issues by hand - unless they specifically wanted to spend the time you obviously don't want to spend (neither do I, for the record).

    In Windows, you'd download a binary installer, which contains what you need in order to run Firefox. Guess what? The exact same creature exists in Linux. For your RedHat system, it's called an RPM. No unzipping, no untarring. You install software in the exact same way that you would in Windows - either double clicking what you've downloaded, and letting the system handle it all, or you go through a control panel type applet (in Linux, this is your package manager).

    You can whine about the "usual replies" all you like, but the fact is, if you can't install Firefox on any recent (last few years) Linux system, you're going out of your way to do something wrong. RPM/APT/YUM/whatever work for major software. They also work for very obscure packages only 5 people on the planet use. You *might* have to play around with source/dependencies if you're trying to run Joe Bob's Personal Fun Program, but again, guess what? Software like this exists for Windows too. Source only, and here's a how-to for compiling it, and here's how you resolve DLL requirements.

    I've never seen anyone run into a "graphics lib" requirement for Firefox that hasn't been handled in the background by the package manager, unless they're a) running Gentoo, or b) trying to prove a point that "Linux is hard" by intentionally doing things the wrong way.

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