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DDT or Malaria -- Which is Worse?

Assassin bug wonders: "Although the topic of malaria has been discussed on Slashdot, DDT use has not. After having banned DDT (C14H9Cl5)" in 2004, Tanzania has reversed their ban on DDT use. What is the Slashdot community's opinion regarding the use of DDT for mosquito control versus genetically modified mosquitoes?" "Key facts to consider:
  • Insects have developed resistance, for every tactic that has been used against them (including biological control, crop rotation, and various chemicals)
  • Although the direct effects of DDT on humans might be benign, the effects on wildlife and the environment are well documented
  • In some countries, such as India, popluations of DDT-resistant mosquitoes exist
  • The fitness (i.e., reproductive success in the wild) of mutant mosquitoes is not well understood."

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  1. Re:Rachael Carson = Knew what she was talking bout by AlexanderDitto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "It is more sensible in some cases to take a small amount of damage in preference to having none for a time but paying for it in the long run by losing the very means of fighting [is the advice given in Holland by Dr Briejer in his capacity as director of the Plant Protection Service]. Practical advice should be "Spray as little as you possibly can" rather than "Spray to the limit of your capacity.""

    -Rachel Carson, Silent Spring

    Note the last sentence. It seems she KNEW that in some cases, not using DDT would amount in a LARGE amount of damage, and in these cases, using DDT would be unavoidable. Spray as little as you possible can seems to be common sense, but may not be to the uneducated.

    It IS known that DDT builds up in the tissues of organisms high up in food chains. Perhaps studies don't indicate that DDT directly causes any sort of harm, but I don't think having an organochlorine in ANY fleshy parts is a good thing.

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  2. offtopic, but hey: by jannesha · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The insects were heard to complain
    That man had poisoned their rain
    The cause of their sorrow
    Was para-dichloro-
    diphenyl-trichloroethane
    ...ahh, takes me back to third-year organic chem...
  3. We have something better by hackwrench · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mosquitos that are resistant to malaria, meaning that they are no longer carriers of malaria and can no longer spread it to humans, but the Slashdot article was very muddy on that!

  4. Re:Rachael Carson = Bad Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If it's fact show some real studies. It's not fact it is COMPLETELY made up!

    Here, have a few FACTS, you might learn something.
    http://www.junkscience.com/ddtfaq.htm

  5. Re:Rachael Carson = Bad Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    DDT is a pesticide. It kills [some] insects. When you kill certain whole populations, it can throw the ecosystem out of whack. Unfortunately, that may be necessary to fight malaria. It may also be possible to use DDT in ways that fight malaria without killing 100% of certain insect populations.

    That is, the mosquitos that DDT doesn't kill will stay away from the sprayed areas. You don't have to spray the whole countryside with DDT in order to stop malaria, you may be able to get away with just spraying the areas where people live (their walls). This will keep the pests away without killing them all, and therefore will not be so destructive to their ecosystem.

    BTW, birds tend to flourish in the presence of DDT. If you kill the insects that spread avian diseases and eat the crops (which birds like to feed on), the birds become more abundant -- or at least those that don't feed on the insects you killed off.

    dom

  6. False Dichotomy by Dr.+GeneMachine · · Score: 2, Interesting
    It is not like DDT is the only available pesticide - perhaps we chose on that doesn't tend to accumulate in the food chain this time? An interesting approach would be the use of Bacillus thuringiensis var. israelensis, a bacterium that is highly toxic for mosquito larvae. It is harmless to basically everything else, except for some kinds of insects, and has been used succesfully against other insect infestations. It can be aerosolized and sprayed just like a chemical pesticide.

    Then there is Methoprene - a compound that is similar to an insect growth hormone. It targets specifically insect larvae and prevents them from reaching their next stage of development. Again, it can be used like any conventional insecticide, does not accumulate and is easily biodegradable and non-toxic to anything but insects. Has been successful in trials against mosquitoes as well.

    So, why DDT?

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  7. Re:DDT Use by Hoplite3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I still think that the best source of stories on the overuse of erratication programs is Laurie Garett's The Coming Plague. She discusses how the Small Pox eradication (one of the most successful) weaponized small pox, how cleaning with bleach has bread super-bacteria in some hospitals that can be cultured on undiluted Clorox.

    Her point (about antibiotics and mosquito control) was that we should try to domesticate of microbal advisaries. If you can produce a strain of a disease that has a short, mild infection -- but out-competes the original, you've turned a lion into a house cat. For mosquitos, if we could replace the asian tiger variety with another that can't host malaria, we'd be set.

    Also, more direct methods of mosquito control are useful. Many tropical communities now pay people to wander around town draining pools of stagnant water. Sure, you don't get them all, but you can drain enough that the mosquito population decreases dramatically. It's a continual effort, but uses no chemicals.

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  8. Re:DDT by Wavicle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) DDT did not decimate the ecosystem of Borneo
    2) There were no outbreaks of plague or typhus. Every instance you find of someone saying this is someone retelling a trumped up story they heard. The cats were dropped because there was FEAR an outbreak would occur. It didn't.
    3) The insect control measures in Borneo are today considered to have been a great success. The problem of malaria went away. Thousands of children lived who might otherwise have died, and as I mentioned, there was no outbreak of plague or typhus.
    4) Sorry, I just don't take USAID's position on DDT seriously. They have in the past shown themselves to be tools of of the anti-DDT environmental lobby.

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  9. Re:Repeat: SLASHDOT IS NOT A SCIENTIST HANGOUT by Assassin+bug · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Man... It was just a question. And, I thought, a timely one at that. By the way I'm an entomologist and I'm interested in what these readers think and less about what their opinion is.