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Convicted Hacker Adrian Lamo Refuses to Give Blood
CaliforniaCCW writes "Hopefully everyone here remembers the case of Adrian Lamo, a so-called 'gray hat' hacker who plead guilty to one count of computer crimes against Microsoft, Nexis-Lexis and the New York Times in 2004. He got a felony conviction, six months detention in his parents' home, and two years of probation. Today, as a condition of his probation, he must provide a sample of his DNA in the form of a blood sample, something which he has refused to do. Should convicted felons on probation have privacy rights over their DNA? Or is a blood sample like a fingerprint, something that everyone should provide to their government?"
Instead of probation, perhaps he would prefer to do jail time instead? Probation is a nicety given to crimimals. If they don't like the terms, back to prison.
Holy s-, it's Jesus!
>Over here if you are arrested for things like littering,
no we aren't
>speeding,
boo hoo, you wanted to endanger other peoples' lives to show off how fast your car is. and you're only arrested if it's like 2x the speed limit or blatantly dangerous, otherwise points and a fine.
>drunkenness
wrong again, but you can be arrested for being drunk and disorderly. if you're going to get pissed and also act like a twat then who cares that you have to spend a night in a cell.
How dare you accuse right wing christians of that. Your gross generalization is both pitifully uneducated and extremely offensive. First and foremost, not all conservatives are christian. Second, prove to me that those guards are conservatives. Third, prove to me that they are christian (this one is going to be rather hard, considering the fact that their actions were completely un-christian-like, not to mention the fact that not everyone who says they are christian actually is). Then, if you can prove that they are right-wing and christian, prove to me that this is what every right-wing christian does. I am a right-wing christian and you don't see me making prisoner pyramids. Then, after all of this, prove to me that the authorities demanding a dna sample are all right-wing christians. Oops, you can't! Why don't you attempt to comment on the story instead of using your post as a completely unrelated jab at conservative christianity.
As for the story in question, if the government will provide alternative options for different faiths in some areas, then they should carry it through to the end. Of course, one can question if the government should make concessions for anyone. Being a christian, I can look at several instances where men and women of the Bible stood up for their faith in front of government opposition, and paid the price for doing so. They stood up for what is right, but they did so fully understanding the consequences. It's up to the people to decided whether or not the government should bend for individual's beliefs. On one hand, you end up being crippled by attempting to bend to everybody, on the other, you end up being overbearing and stomping on the citizens of the nation.
Sure why not, I'll reply to a FOURTH one... (what is it with slashdot today?)
He attempted to provide nail and hair clippings, but the authorities refused.
Go read a book on DNA. I will bet MONEY that on at least one page in that book it will specifically say fingernail clippings and hair do not contain any DNA. duh?
The particular people he was dealing with do not have the equipment to extract DNA from those samples.
Yep, those imbiciles along with everyone else on the planet
Sorry to vent but this is getting silly. The slashdot IQ is particularly low today for some reason. I think I'll stop reading this thread, I'm sure I'll just run into more of these silly posts if I continue.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
adrian is an ass hat. take his blood, please.
I met Adrian a couple times while he was intimately "involved" with a homosexual friend of mine. I'm wondering if there isn't something about his blood he'd rather not have known.
Organic extraction of aged human nail material yielded a sufficient quantity of DNA for successful mtDNA sequencing; however, STR analysis was unsuccessful.
Translation: we could find traces of DNA, but not enough to identify the person. To use something for identification in a criminal case requires that it be very reliable and very unique. In a test group of 15 they could not identify the owner in all cases. How are you going to pull that off when you are searching a 10,000 person database?
DNA is most reliably harvested from living cells. (try your google on that) There are no living cells in fingernails or hair strands. Only hair follicles and maybe some toejam.
Ok, fair enough, 8 year old fingernails aren't a good source source of DNA (d'oh - how much DNA do you expect to be left in an eight year old steak, for that matter.) Let's look at the authors' abstact of the paper that you quoted out of context:
In order to process nails as evidence, a validation study was performed to demonstrate that DNA could be successfully extracted from human nail material. Organic extractions of DNA were performed on fresh fingernails, fresh toenails, and aged (~eight years old) fingernails. The isolated DNA was quantified and analyzed by polymerase chain reaction (PCR)-based testing. This study demonstrated that the extraction of fresh, human nail material yielded sufficient quantities of DNA for successful short tandem repeat (STR) analysis and mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) sequencing. A random sampling of fingernails from 22 different individuals (15 females, 6 males and 1 unknown) was tested. Successful STR profiles were obtained from all fingernail specimens collected from male individuals. Full or partial STR profiles were obtained from the fingernail specimens collected from 10 of the 15 female individuals. All nails amplified for mtDNA produced PCR product; all products sequenced produced the correct mtDNA type. Organic extraction of aged human nail material yielded a sufficient quantity of DNA for successful mtDNA sequencing; however, STR analysis was unsuccessful.
Wow! They could do mtDNA sequencing on decade old fingernails, but STR analysis was unsuccessful. Fresh nails yielded plenty of DNA. Color me stunned! Perhaps you could explain again how this has anything to do with your claims that fingernails don't have DNA in them?
Or is a blood sample like a fingerprint, something that everyone should provide to their government?
What foreign fucking country are you from where this question is even posed? Talk about a smuggled premise. Oh wait, you're from California.
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