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U.S. Government Intervenes in EFF vs. AT&T
An anonymous reader writes "Reuters is reporting that the US government has 'filed a motion on Saturday to intervene and seek dismissal of a lawsuit by a civil liberties group against AT&T Inc. over a federal program to monitor U.S. communications.' More from the article: " In its motion seeking intervention, posted on the court's Web site, the government said the interests of the parties in the lawsuit "may well be in the disclosure of state secrets" in their effort to present their claims or defenses ... A hearing is scheduled for June 21 before federal Judge Vaughn Walker." You may recall a few weeks ago when the DOJ asked the judge to dismiss the case. They've now taken the next step required to quash this legal action.
Bullshit.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
No. The terrorists have won when the killed you and forced you to let them kill all the Jews, ban all the women, stone all the Hindus, and whipped all the children.
Or did you think this was a war on republicans?
Just curious, but has anyone thought that our own government might not be the bad guys here? That they might actually be trying to use these records to rapidly roll up terrorist groups after a initial attack instead of having to arrest 5000+ in the aftermath of 9/11? Maybe that they are legitimately trying to build in a system that allows them to protect Americans?
/. for daring to question the mindthink, but there is a role for government here to actually analyze and stop terrorist attacks, preferabley before they kill Americans.
Anyone think that maybe there might be good and legitimate reasons for this system? I know that I am about to taste the wrath of
We have a intelligence committee in the congress for a reason. They have a job to do to oversee this. I am sure the self-important judiciary committee will get into this as well. Involving some random judge who doesn't have security clerence and special interst groups (who I tend to agree with) when they are not my elected representatives may not be the best thing here. We live in a representitive democracy, let's work through the correct channels there.
Or did you think this was a war on republicans?
No, but the Republicans are on the same side as the terrorists. They are both in an all out war on freedom.
This kind of sickening cowardly shit trying to interfere with justice to defend their treasonous actions is absolutely standard Republican behavior at this point.
Every day my sig gets more and more justified for anybody with a scrap of integrity, a scrap of human decency or a scrap of love for the founding principles of this country.
When your dog goes rabid and trys to murder you and your family you put it down.
Same goes for Republicans at this point in the game.
Anybody who trys to claim that the republicans stand for anything besides a theocratic fascist police state is a lying sack of shit and the world absolutely would be a better place with them dead.
To question Bush is to question the word of God. What kind of Satanic asshole are you, anyway?!
-- Mark
Wow. Your reply is only really funny seeing what you said in the rest of this thread.
I'm not defending Republicans. I can't stand them or the Democrats. I just laugh at how the game is played, and how people get so caught up in the details when the truth of the complicity is so obvious. I can see the evidence of it right in your post. You're so caught up in the game it's like you can't even see it's being played.
But before you said all that you said to me:
Yeah, go on believing that while you serve the same masters from the other side of the aisle. Go on believing there are significant differences because you like some detail or another better. Please, continue to be fooled that it's only the Republicans that are the problem.
Now, as soon as you can point to where I said the Democrats were good, then you will have won the grand prize of not being a hypocritical ass.
There is no Republican in any position in the United States government that desires a "theocratic fascist police state" or who deserves to die. Hyperbole is not a suitable substitute for argument.
What color is the air on your planet?
Fascism has been the goal of the Republican party since prior to WW2. Their primary supporters are crazed religious zealots who do want theocracy and have stated as much.
Name one thing other than theocracy, fascism and a police state that Republicans stand for. Keep in mind, Sparky, that tired old used up lies with no basis in reality do not count. These include small government, fiscal responsibility, state's rights among many other discarded ideals.
Bush and his entire administration absolutely deserve to die. For multiple acts of treason. Are you denying their entire reign, or are you truly that detached from reality as to believe everything they say?
Are you really so scared of the big bad terrorists and faggots that you want to piss away your rights and mine?
Go ahead and piss away yours. Move to Saudi Arabia or something. When you piss away mine because you ain't brave enough to be free it really pisses me off, Sparky.
Sure, they may wish for the government to act on some biblical principles, including not killing and not stealing, and they may want greater national security, but your claims are ridiculous.
Oh, I see. You're a raging delusional moonbat loon.
Not killing and stealing were laws long before these particular theocratic loons or even the particular religion they're desecrating existed. So obviously, that is entirely irrelevant to the point now, isn't it?
Also given that they are doing a lot of stealing and killing, the fact that you would pick those in particular is really pretty insane.
They want greater security from the people of this nation, certainly as that is all they have worked towatrd as evidenced by the rash of illegal surveillance of the citizenry we've seen.
So please, at least try to sound sane next time. Don't spout bullshit a ten year old could rip apart.
Seriously
In a sane country this lawsuit would be dismissed.
This information is the business of the NSA. The NSA needs to be able to know who is calling who outside this country. The only way to have access to this information is through the phone companies. This is only a list of who called who. They would need this information to help find out which phones they would need to tap.
This is also the reason that the Federal Government's powers should be limited primarily to National Defence. This way the Federal Government would not have any conflicts of interest with any infomation accuired in the interest of National Security. Because they would have no real authority to arrest or to do anything else to a citizen of this country unless it was a National security issue.
The purpose of the National Government is to preserve our Freedom. I see no freedom lost when the Government has a list of phone numbers I have called if they are only going to take that list and perform a query against it to see if I have called up any terrorists.
How effective would the NSA be if it took them several days and a court order every time they needed to know if someone is calling terrorists? They would probably have to hire more lawyers and appoint more judges just to keep up with it all. And in the end you would not be able to run any kind of statistical analysis on the data you have collected because you would not have a complete set of data.
Just don't let Hillary have the list she will probably want to check and see if I have called the local Gun Store.
It's standard industry procedure, AC.