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HD Video Could 'Choke the Internet'?

richdun writes "Yahoo! is carrying an AP story explaining how ISPs are worried large streaming videos could 'choke the Internet.' This is used as a yet another reason for tiered pricing for access to content providers." From the article: "Most home Internet use is in brief bursts -- an e-mail here, a Web page there. If people start watching streaming video like they watch TV -- for hours at a time -- that puts a strain on the Internet that it wasn't designed for, ISPs say, and beefing up the Internet's capacity to prevent that will be expensive. To offset that cost, ISPs want to start charging content providers to ensure delivery of large video files, for example."

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  1. What a load by DurendalMac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please. As if Bittorrent and P2P isn't already boosting internet traffic. Either people will watch the streaming downloads, or they'll download the movies another way. Looks like yet another cash grab.

  2. We probably all know this already, but.... by Malor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is preaching to the choir, but bits is bits.

    What the providers really fear is that people will actually start using what they've been told they already have.

    They've got giant pipes running into everyone's houses, and business models predicated on the fact that most people don't use them. So they tell everyone 'unlimited bandwidth!' when in fact they cannot provide this.

    The tiered-internet thing is just a way to punish the people who actually use the bandwidth they were already sold. And an attempt to enact a tax on those who dare to actually provide data that's interesting enough that lots of their customers want it, all at the same time.

    1. Re:We probably all know this already, but.... by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "No Shit".

      Though to be honest I don't see of the appeal of HD over the net. It's the same bullshit video tape of a monkey falling out of a tree or something, just now it's got 16 times the pixels.

      ooooh boy.

      Tom

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    2. Re:We probably all know this already, but.... by tomstdenis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And you mark my words ... it'll still suck.

      Just because you can apply technology to something doesn't make the story any better. Like right now after braveheart the show "VIP" came on. VIP == teh stupid. It's a product of "me too" ism. If anything, random ondemand TV will just make that worse. Everyone will be a TV producer and the quality of the entertainment and news will suffer more than it already does.

      Also the internet is not meant for broadcast. 80 million people watched Friends each week. That's totally asynchronous. The net is not meant to be so heavily lodsided.

      Sure maybe when we can all simultaneously sustain 100mbit/sec from our homes to the net it may be practical but right now it's nowhere near practical enough.

      Think about it. At $5 per GB a 4Mbit/sec stream costs you $201 per day. Now suppose get a deal and pay only $0.50 per GB. That's still $20.11 per day per stream. At a minimum they would have to charge you $0.84 per hour. Now look at the average digital package at say 60$ [say you have movies] per month. That's roughly $0.083/hr of viewing.

      So right now it's nearly ten times more expensive to watch something over the net. Not to mention how it's not entirely a good use of broadcast resources.

      Tom

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  3. Re:... They already do...? by Professr3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, I could understand paying per gig or meg (look at cellphone providers!). The problem is, they've said "Unlimited Bandwidth! High Speed DSL!!!" to get customers. Now that people are actually trying to use what they've bought, the ISPs are trying to back out of it.

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  5. Re:Attacking Net Neutrality by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not true. VoIP traffic is more time sensitive than FTP traffic. A SSH session needs better response than bittorrent. And video on demand needs to be processed before a /. page reload.

    Sure, it's all 1s and 0s, but those 1s and 0s are arranged into headers and payload. Headers can be analyzed and tagged for prority. All this takes processing power and memory.

    It's simple: if you want your VoD to play seamlessly and you want your VoIP to be a clear as a land-line call, you pay more for tagging.

    If not, then your 1s and 0s can get lumped in with all the others. Your phone call to mom will be lumped in with my pr0n download.

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  6. Net Neutrality - Some Thoughts by JoshuaJarman · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Net Neutrality:

    The Economics:
    Myth: Companies should have to pay for the bandwidth they use.
    Facts:
    1. All companies already pay for the bandwidth they use.
    2. All consumers pay again for the bandwidth on the consuming end.
    3. Since consumers are paying for the bandwidth they use, they should be able to use it how they want.
    4. The telcos are charging at both ends of the same pipe, now they want to be able to charge a third time at an unlimited number of points in the middle.

    Bandwidth is already paid for on both the outgoing and consuming ends, and there are contractual agreements for each network segment the packets pass through on their way from point A to point B. All bandwidth is already paid for. The telcos are proposing to add a THIRD layer of charges onto the Internet, one they can control and manipulate at will and can charge whatever they want for. Even worse, if a packet crosses through 3 networks on its way from from Point A to Point B that would be 3 additional charges. As everyone knows, these charges will be passed directly onto the consumers in one form or another.

    Imagine the packet passes through 12 networks to reach you, if any one isn't being paid and blocks or degrades the packet YOU the consumer lose. There is no way to ensure that a packet gets priority unless the company is paying every single possible network that packet might pass through.

    Freedom and Censorship:
    Since companies would be controlling the flow of information through their networks based on how much they are being paid or any other uncontrolled criteria, they have great incentive to limit, or stop certain bits of information that is in conflict with their new data "Sponsors". Maybe you couldn't read a blog about lawysuits against the telco. Maybe you couldn't reach a news site that contained a story that exposed problems with a company that is paying the telco a lot of money. That is just the tip of the iceberg.

    China is a perfect example of a country that does not allow Net Neutrality.

    Net Neutrality is not only fair, and a key component in net freedom, it is the only model that will support innovation in a balanced way.

    Don't give the Telcos a license to rob us all blind and restrict our freedoms.
  7. They need to quit over selling pipe! by gmezero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's the real problem. This notion of over selling bandwidth on the plan that people aren't going to use it anyways. Some ISPs have a horrific track record of doing this and it's inexcusable. If you're going to sell me 24/7, 6MB down/1MB up, then god damn it, I expect to get just that. If that's not what I'm getting then don't call it that, and don't promise it!