US Releasing 9/11 Flight 77 Pentagon Crash Tape

Robotron23 writes "The BBC is reporting that the US government has decided to release the videotape depicting the crash of Flight 77 into the Pentagon building, nearly five years after the 9/11 attacks. The government had previously withheld the tape due to 'ongoing investigations' into al-Qaeda's Zacarias Moussaoui. A government representative commented that they 'hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories.'"

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Re:Video conspiracy debunking work

[lucabrasi999]

While I have not seen "Loose Change", nor had the time to read your PDF. Here is another reference guide that pretty much shoots down the idea that a missle was used at the Pentagon:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

What the hell are you talking about?

[ClioCJS]

You really think people would complain that it was released too fast to be possible?

Considering how much television is shown, gasp, LIVE, I'm not sure why you think everyone expects their to be a delay. Do they have to bicycle the VHS tape over or something? What universe are you in?

Except...

[ClioCJS]

Except the part they found clearly belongs to a military craft, if you read about what types of engines are used in which craft.

Grandparent is moron.

[ClioCJS]

Really. I mean.... the government confiscates my property so I can release it? And 4+4 = -3.

Re:Grandparent is STILL moron.

[ClioCJS]

No, Sir. YOU are not understanding. The government came and forcefully seized the videotapes from several private establishments. Any right they had to release the tape was trampled upon. They were never given a choice and are not allowed to have their own tapes.

Nope.

[copponex]

"We're getting ready to pull building 6." -NYC Head of Engineering, just before they demolish WTC6 with explosives (see video below)

There have been many other fires in predominately steel buildings, and none have collapsed, especially after one hour or even ten hours of fires. But let's pretend that all of the jet fuel made it inside both towers, and burned as hot as it can for those fifty minutes. How is it possible that every building that fell came straight down? When the second tower was hit, the plane didn't hit close to the center as the first one did. Wouldn't the concentration of jet fuel cause one side of the building to collapse and then fall over? How is it possible that all three buildings fell in nearly perfect symmetry?

We forget about the planes hitting the building because they were engineered to withstand the impact of the planes. Every document the government has released has stated that fire is the cause of the collapse of all three buildings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHZEGutg1FM&search= pull%20building

You can't put conspiracy to rest

[Quiet_Desperation]

The conspiracy theory wonks are mentally ill. You could take them back in time to stand and watch the plane crash, and they still wouldn't believe you.

They need medication, not videotape.

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[Boronx]

"Life before enlightenment?" Chop wood, carry water. "Life after enlightenment?" Chop wood, carry water.

Oh yeah? Well fuck you, enlightenment.

Re:damn you, Scuttlemonkey!!!!

[moro_666]

why the hell is the parent marked as flamebait ?

most of his facts are true, unlike the ones that the US government is telling you.

Re:damn you, Scuttlemonkey!!!!

[diablomonic]

Nice, mark me flamebait without reading through and coming up with a coherant argument against what I'm saying.

Obviously some of what I say is probabally not correct, but for those of you who like to use occcam's razor to debunk conspiracies: whats more likely: a number of suicide hijackers (many who subsequently turned up alive) manage to hijack four jet airplanes with 100% success rate,

taking over from vietnam veterans and other veteran millitary pilots, without the pilots being able to call for help or set off warning buttons,

using only box cutters

manage to fly the planes extremely accurately into 3 of 4 targets despite failing to land a cesna,

yet for some reason seem to be minimising casualties (20% average plane occupancy, strikes near top of building so more people can escape, strikes on unoccupied section of pentagon: only civilian deaths at pentagon (I think, maybe a few low level millitary)

on the same day as multiple millitary exercises which make it all possible

evade being shot down for an hour or so each, manage to fly into the most secure building on earth which has its own automatic anti aircraft missile battery which must have been deliberately turned off that day

then 3 steel and concrete buildings completely collapse symetrically into their own footprint from a few small* fires (*see other fires that COMPLETELY ENGULFED BUILDINGS yet they didnt fall down for my definition of large fires) despite this never having occured before, even once, let alone three times, in the history of steel and concrete skyscrapers

then all the witnesses and stories that dont match up (from various reliable witnesses such as ex or present fbi, military, fire chiefs/fighters, police etc etc etc) are somehow just hallucinations, (see multiple explosions, wrong planes, black boxes, debris from flight 93, flgiht 93 news item of it landing after it was supposed to have crashed etc)

the fact that no real investigation (compare funding for every other terrorist attack/emergency investigation with funding for this one, ask why it took over 400 days to even set up, after most of the evidence had been destroyed)was ever officially carried out,

and the HUNDREDS of other huge irregularities, inconsistancies and impossibilities. (eg how did the collapse cause a sharp:i.e. wrong shape for collapse, right for explosion; 2.4 richter signal at a fairly distant seismometer, despite 80000 pound tnt detonations at a nearby mine causing only 2.0 signals)

this is much more likely ....(erm yeah ok, here want to buy a bridge) than a government who has done this sort of thing before (by that i mean us gov, not bush admin in particular)(of course Ill let you disagree with that one, cant be bothered getting into it to prove it, but look up pearl harbour, bay of tonkin?, abandoned babies from incubators (desert storm), etc) and has OFFICIALY RELEASED DOCUMENTS that Prove they were planning a similar "false flag", "attack our own people to get support for a war" operation (google "operation northwood") in the past, so therefore are capable of it and thought it was a viable option(or at least some did, not JFK), and had many sources of BILLIONS of DOLLARS (google "wtc gold repository", see iraq war costs, oil company profits, larry silverstein becoming one of the richest people on earth due to insurance etc) in motivation to do so,

along with personal(get the power to get back at sadamn for instance)/political (do i need to explain?) /idealogical (google PNAC, "a new pearl harbour", and pay attention to the people in this organisation) motivations setting into motion a plan planned for many years, using the huge resources at their availiablity. If you think that the attack was unexpected, as a starting point, watch this amazing prior to 911 premonition pilot episode of a show called "the lone gunmen" this video was aired in march of 2001

Re:damn you, Scuttlemonkey!!!!

[diablomonic]

are you saying that they didnt collapse straight down (sorry couldnt find the good footage but it's in 911 loose change) at close to free fall speeds (in fact the exploding floor front actually exceed what should be their free fall speed at some points, proving demolitions, but thats another issue) pretty much into their own footprints (wtc7 before the small secondary fires (or whatever, it wasnt hit by a plane, and had no jet fuel burning in it, so why did it collapse?), wtc 7 after the demolition, I mean collapse, into its own footprint), while simultaneously being crushed to dust? becuase thats what EVERY video of the collapses shows to me.

as each floor collapses onto the floor below it, some of the kinetic energy of it's fall is used to break the next floor off and crush it, and its momentum is shared between the two (or more) floors, so that both floors would end up at an almost identical slower velocity (this is assuming the official pancake explanation). if there was so much energy liberated at each floor that it completely crushed to dust the floor below it, and enough energy (and heat) released to create the pyroclastic flows seen in the videos, then shouldnt the building have fallen slower than near freefall speed? where did this (massive) extra amount off energy come from? and if it was crushing itself to dust as it fell, why was there a sharp start to the seismic signal, trailing off, rather than a building up one, or not much of one at all as the dust fell to earth?

When a finite element analysis was done of the towers (ill try to find the link later) by an independant researcher, the only way to get the building to collapse was to lower the steel to a minute fraction of it's expected strength, and even then, the collapse takes 1 1/2 minutes! not 10 seconds. For a nice overview by Professor Steven E. Jones, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University; see this