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Symantec Sues Microsoft, May Delay Vista

AuMatar writes "Symantec filed a lawsuit against Microsoft over patents on the volume management technology in Vista. They're seeking an injunction to stop Vista from being sold until the suit is completed. Given the recent Supreme Court ruling it should be interesting to see if the injunction is granted, since Symantec does produce software which uses the patent. If it is granted, expect MS to settle to prevent another Vista delay."

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  1. Re:Irony! by WedgeTalon · · Score: 3, Informative

    I would completely disagree with that needing symantec bit. In fact, I find that XP systems run BETTER without their crap. Just slap on one of the free antivirus out there and remove any pre-installed crapware and you're good to go.

  2. Summary is wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    The lawsuit has nothing to do with patent infringement.

    Instead, Symantec is alleging that Microsoft stole trade secrets from them (this is the contractual violation part) incorporated them into Vista (hence the petition for injunction).

    Patents come into the picture because Symantec is also alleging the Microsoft filed for patents on this technology, claiming to have invented it itself.

    1. Re:Summary is wrong by chef_raekwon · · Score: 5, Informative

      nicely put. I have read all the comments to this point, and no one seems to get the picture (except ofcourse, for this AC).

      Symantec is putting forth this lawsuit because it now owns Veritas. Veritas is the best volume management software available. It is light years ahead of any competition -- and if Microsoft steals these 'trade secrets', they have every right to go after them in court. I don't think we are seeing another SCO trying to slow the inevitable death...or a company trying to pimp its virus protection.

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  3. Re:Volume management technology? by siraim · · Score: 5, Informative

    Symantec purchased Veritas. Veritas wrote the volume manager (Disk Management in the mmc) that is used by Windows 2000 and later. If you check the registry, you'll find reference to the veritas volume manager.

  4. Re:Volume management technology? by Random+Data · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dynamic disks, shadow copy, etc. are all Veritas (now Symantec) products that MS licensed. Presumably MS are pushing something along these lines that'll interfere with Symantec's storage management market, so Symantec are getting nervous.

    TFA is light on details as to exactly what bits are violating an agreement, but given this stuff has been around since Windows 2000 it's fairly safe to say it's reasonably well embedded into the OS - lots of stuff depends on those hooks now.

  5. Come on, guys! It has NOTHING to do with viruses! by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 5, Informative

    Holy sh*t! All of the comments in this thread about Symantec being worried about Microsoft's anti-virus product!

    You apparently have forgotten that Symantec now owns Veritas -- you know, the company that had probably the most-used volume management software out there? Need I remind you that Veritas Volume Manager has been a part of Windows for many years? Windows 2000 even had VxVM incorporated into it. When you have a 2000 or XP disk that is configured as "dynamic" instead of "basic", you're looking at a Veritas Volume Manager disk, not a straight NTFS/FAT32 disk.

    Even the article itself (emphases mine) says:

    Microsoft said in a statement that the suit "stems from a very narrow disagreement" over terms of a contract with Veritas to license volume management technology, which allows operating systems to handle large amounts of data.

    Apparently, Symantec either thinks that Microsoft has misappropriated the technology that they use in Veritas Volume Manager and incorporated it into Vista without giving Symantec that they want or they're using this as an excuse for a money grab. Either way, this has nothing to do with Microsoft's anti-virus product.

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  6. Re:Irony! by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Informative

    My understanding is that the first virus ever in the wild was for apple computers.

    This is an interesting timeline It lacks some details but gives an idea of importance virus played in history.

  7. No, not really. by Telastyn · · Score: 3, Informative

    Microsoft is in a position to place antivirus/spyware apps into their OS. Symantec makes ~50% of all revenue from NAV. This lawsuit isn't much more than corporate blackmail. Microsoft agrees to not bundle their AV, or otherwise completely screw NAV, and Symantec agrees not to tie up Vista in court.

  8. Re:Come on, guys! It has NOTHING to do with viruse by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Reminds me of stacker.

    Though that worked out well for the primaries of stacker ($600 million settlement, or something like that), the company failed during litigation........

    One wonders if Microsoft is trying to "phase out" Symantec in the same fashion. Obviously, they believe it is cheaper to litigate/settle than license or buyout.

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