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Vista Beta 2 has Major Problems

WebHostingGuy writes "In a review by Gary Krackow from MSNBC who reviewed Vista Beta 2 over the last week he had very disappointing problems. "for me [it] was one of the worst operating system experiences that I've ever encountered." Built-in audio and wireless didn't work on his Levono laptop. It took four days to get the first installation."

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  1. OS X...? by metaomni · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The article reminds me a lot of this video of OS X overlaid on a Gates presentation of Vista.

    I'm no Apple fanboi, but it does seem like Vista isn't really innovating anything that OS X hasn't had since at least 10.4, if not earlier. Feel free to disagree.

    1. Re:OS X...? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So what you're saying is that Apple managed to deliver a nice, stable OS to the market with a bunch of new features they stole from Microsoft, two years before MS could deliver a beta?

  2. Beta was released yesterday... by Utopia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    .. and the new Vista drivers went live on Windows Update yeterday.
    I am not suprised it took him time until the drivers were available.

  3. No problem here... by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Am I the only one who's sitting here and wondering, "What was this guy thinking?!" Laptops have so much custom hardware these days that it's a Bad Idea(TM) to attempt an OS installation from anything but restore CDs. This guy not only tried to install from new media, but he tried to install a cutting-edge operating system that isn't even out of beta!

    Funny this should come up at this time.

    I was able to get a -great- deal on a ThinkPad just last week (R50e - $600). I took a Knoppix CD with me to the store, and it appeared to boot fine, so I went ahead and bought it.

    Brought it home, burned a Debian Testing Netinstall CD on my desktop, popped it into the laptop and booted.

    I had just the opposite experience as this guy had with Vista.

    The only issue I had in the whole process was that I had to use the wired NIC instead of the wireless for the actual network installation. But once the install completed (about an hour), I had a -very- functional system.

    A quick Google and a couple of tweaks later, I had a -completely- functional system.

    It was definitely one of the easiest OS install experiences I have had since the days of DOS!

    If a bunch of dirty hippies can make it this easy for free, why can't a corporation with the resources of MS do it for their proprietary OS?

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  4. Re:Article Summary by Asphalt · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Am I the only one who's sitting here and wondering, "What was this guy thinking?!" Laptops have so much custom hardware these days that it's a Bad Idea(TM) to attempt an OS installation from anything but restore CDs.

    Well, a year or so ago, laptop sales surpassed desktop sales.

    So if you had to test an OS on a machine, statistically you would go with a laptop in 2006.

    The hardware isn't terribly specialized anymore.

    If Vista doesn't run on laptops, then Microsoft will be cut out more than 50% of all new computer sales.

  5. Re:You forgot ME by RockModeNick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ME is physical and phsychological pain given form in an operating system. My disgust with it grows even still, so many years after I've had to fix a system with ME installed. I mean, who really came up with the idea "Hey, lets take the MSDOS based version of windows, and see how it runs with workarounds that keep it from ever using DOS?"

  6. Re:Security To Sector 7G! by zrk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually, I believe it's the other way around. Vista will force people to buy only hardware that's certified to run with Vista and reject everything else, thus forcing all non-certified hardware to become unsupportable and therefore obsolete. MS wants to shed all the "crap" they've supported in previous releases, and model their future OSs and supported hardware like Apple does.

    Naturally, hardware certification will be available, but at a hefty price.

  7. The real reason for the story by mhollis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Microsoft was interested in releasing this pre-Beta 2 (call it Beta 1.5) to this particular writer because doing so hypes the product and starts geting people talking about it 6 to 9 months before the OS is released. This is typical of the Microsoft PR Engine.

    Additionally, the writer's comment that Vista "... is a good looking operating system with a number of new features, which will be familiar to you if you've played with recent versions of Apple's OS X." is designed to try to stop Windows users from switching to Apple's hardware and operating system due to Mac-Envy. Read it like this: "Just wait until Vista comes out and you'll get all of the things the Mac Fanboys have been chortling about on their operating system."

    The instalation headaches are a pretty good way of decreasing expectations; it's kind of like how the US government will lower expectations for a conference by saying things like "the two sides are nowhere near an agreement." Read this like: "You'll get close to 60% of the ease of use and function the Mac Fanboys have been chortling about on their operating system."

    The author works for MSNBC and you'd better believe that the cable channel will present a report from him as if it were "news" and it will show lots of images of the operating system running correctly on his computer (or on a specially-provided one from Microsoft). This should be seen as: "Just look at all of the coolness of Vista, like the Mac Fanboys have been chortling about on their operating system."

    I should mention that I did a lot of work for Microsoft in years past and was involved in the promotion of the release of a not-very insignificant operating system release, called "Windows 95" (some here are young enough to remember back then). Microsoft released hundreds of tapes (or edited promo packages via satellite) to "news" outfits to run on their "news" programs. These consisted of video news releases (promotion masquerading as a real news story), clip reels that show everything from manufacturing to how it works (to provide the stations with something to air while they talk about it so that they'd run stories -- or free advertising -- about the new exciting Microsoft product) and answers to "interview" questions from Microsoft executives and project leaders so that they could be used as soundbites within station "news" stories. Microsoft is presently preparing to flood the airways and the press with information about their new operating system in a campaign to get users to not switch to other operating systems and to prepare to buy the Vista upgrade.

    Executives are, even now, sallying forth from Microsoft to "do the circuit" of Technology talk shows as the hype engine prepares to swing into gear. I would imagine that Vista will get the same treatment in "roll out" hype as did Windows 95.

    I should also mention that the release version of Microsoft Windows 95 convinced me that I ought to switch to Apple's operating system. I installed it on my personal computer and it proceeded to wipe out all data on two 512M hard drives (that would be the one it was being installed on as well as the other one on which it was not being installed. I reasoned, at the time, that if I was going to need to completely upgrade my way of working with an operating system, I ought to switch to something that did not tend to destroy data. Thankfully, I did have a tape backup of both drives.

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