iPod Lawsuit Lawyers Sue Their Own Plaintiff?
Guinnessy writes "Jason Tomczak, who is mentioned as the lead to the iPod Nano 'Scratch' Class Action law suit
filed against Apple computers has published an open letter to the mac community. In it he claims that he never asked to be represented by David P. Meyer & Associates or Hagens Berman Sobol Shapiro, the lawyers in the case. He spoke to them once by phone about his scratched iPod case and asked that his name not be used. In fact, the two firms agree there is no signed document proving that Tomczak asked for representation. However, because Tomczak wants nothing to do with the case, David P. Meyer & Associates or Hagens Berman Sobol Shapiro are currently suing him to try and stop him from pulling out. They also say Tomczak is legally liable for their fees if they lose the court case against Apple. Needless to say Tomczak isn't happy with the arrangement, and is likely to still lose thousands of dollars under the best scenario."
a lawsuit for slashdotting his server. No posts and already dead.
Dude, I think I can see my house from here.
Verbal contracts are binding, and who wouldn't trust the word of a lawyer?
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Steve Berman from Hagens Berman Sobol Shapiro was one of the lawyers handling the nano suit. He's one of Microsoft's favorite lawyer, having defending MS in more than 50 class-action suits made by the states and consumers.
Let's say that the following is completely speculative and happens in fantasy-land. (I don't wan't to get sued!)
One day in autumn 2005, Bill Gates is playing golf with his lawyer friend Steve Berman.
-Steve: Did you see the new iPod nano?
-Bill: Yeah yeah I did...nice little player but you know my position about iPods... We had big plans with the RIAA to impose WMA as the audio standard, by this year we were supposed to drop Red-Book audio from all CD sold in the US, replacing the content with DRMed WMA. You can imagine how the iPod and iTMS screws up our plans badly.
-Steve: I guess many big-players are pissed-off by the iPod success.
-Bill: Yes they are, but the iPod seems unstoppable... Even with dozens of our ghost-writers publishing negative articles about the iPod, it keeps dominating the market.
-Steve: I've read that the iPod nano scratches very easily, and that some of the early batches had screens that spontaneously break.
-Bill: I know about it, our ghost-writers are already trying to spread the word... but we need something bigger, we don't have a choice.
-Steve: There's a guy that built a website to complain about his iPod nano screen problems and he's very vocal about it.
-Bill: What if your law firm gave him a hand to help him build a class-action suit against Apple?
-Steve: Yeah we could do that, but what if he doesn't want to be part of the lawsuit?
-Bill: I'm %100 sure your great firm will be able to "convince" him... And by the way, you owe me that, remember that "thing" I sent you last month?
-Steve: Oh right, that "thing" was very enjoyable... I guess I owe you that one...Let me see what I can do!
This poor guy. I hope things turn out okay for him. Conversely, I hope the lawyers are eaten alive by a cauldron full of insane, demonic, snow-weasels. Or another group of lawyers. Whichever is more painful.
Electric Monkey Pants
>...is likely to still loses thousands of dollars under the best scenario ...a loser-pays court system is the only reasonable way, like in the UK.
no wonder the USA legal system is so fucked if you can do no wrong, tell the truth, and still by charged money that is a significant part of your wages. whereas companies can provably break laws, be found guilty, and still be charged a meaningless fraction of their profit.
I read his letter yesterday and thought t might be worth writing about. I emailed every contact address I could find on the sites of both law companies, unfortunately I haven't gotten a reply.
info@dmlaws.com
rcarey@hbsslaw.com
steve@hbsslaw.com
info@hbsslaw.com
mark@firmani.com
Unfortunately none of them has responded so I can't clarify the truth of the allegations. Perhaps some other people should email them asking for clarification as well.
Verbal contracts are definitely binding, except in very specific circumstances. Marriage and real estate are two of those. However, your burden of proof of having the contract is high, and since the contract is not written the judge is going to impose what he thinks are reasonable terms on it. For example, if you have an oral contract to paint a house and one of you claims the amount was for 6 rooms and the other for 1 room, the judge will decide which is more likely correct based on market rates.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
1. File class action lawsuit without plaintiff's permission.
2. Sue plaintiff.
3. Profit
IANAL, but what you're describing seems to be a serious breach of ethics on the part of the lawfirms involved. Yes, some lawyers actually take their ethical obligations to society and the courts seriously. I think you or your lawyers would be well advised to immeadiately contact the ABA (American Bar Association) and talk to them about your situation. The simple fact they cannot produce a client-attorney agreement when a lawsuit has been filed in your name is pretty damning. More then that, their behaviour after the fact is plain out wrong and the ABA may be able to help redress that.
From the Washington State Bar Assoc. Rules for Professional Conduct...
RULE 7.3 DIRECT CONTACT WITH PROSPECTIVE CLIENTS
(a) A lawyer shall not directly or through a third person solicit
professional employment from a prospective client with whom the lawyer has
no family or prior professional relationship in person or by telephone,
when a significant motive for the lawyer's doing so is the lawyer's
pecuniary gain.
(b) A lawyer shall not send a written communication to a prospective
client for the purpose of obtaining professional employment if the person
has made known to the lawyer a desire not to receive communications from
the lawyer.
RULE 1.2 SCOPE OF REPRESENTATION
(f) A lawyer shall not willfully purport to act as a lawyer for
any person without the authority of that person.
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I certainly don't see how there'd be conflict with defending a murder suspect. It's important to force the state to prove their case, lest innocent people be wrongly accused and punished for things they didn't do.
-- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
What, don't you believe in the free market? We have the best justice system money can buy! I bet you just want to drag everyone down to the same level. Hah! If I have tons of money, that proves I am a better person and more deserving of justice. Damn commies with your "justice should be blind" crap. If I wanted justice to be blind, I would have hired someone to poke her eyes out.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
Since lawyers are involved, I must first state that the following is my opinion, and is not to be considered authoritative in any way shape or form.
Here's the deal:
They didn't care about actually getting the necessary documents signed before filing.
They need this guy to keep quiet so they can pursue the lawsuit.
They want to keep him tied up in legal proceedings until the Apple case has been resolved, and they're using a number of dirty tricks to do so.
If they win, he won;t get a dime anyway, as it will all be eaten up in "legal fees."
If they lose the suit with Apple, they'll then go after this poor guy with everything they have to either get him to cough up some obscene legal fees or declare bankruptcy. After all, if they lose, SOMEONE has to suffer for it.
It's not about proving anything about if he's really their client. It's all about delaying him so they can continue going after Apple.
"Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
What are these people doing???
Making hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in "legal fees" from a case that will eventually get all the people in the class 5 free songs off iTunes.
Typical class action stuff. The lawyers win, we get screwed.
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http://www.dmlaws.com
Phone numbers
866.827.6537 Toll Free
614.224.6000 Local
614.224.6066 Fax
Address
The Arena District
401 North Front Street
Suite 350
Columbus, Ohio 43215
If you wait outside their offices, you might even be able to say "Hi" to them and have a conversation about the case.
What's that? You don't know what they look like? Sure you do.
David P. Meyer, principal
Marnie C. Lambert, Associate Attorney Possible home address Possible home phone: (614) 469-1400
Patrick G. Warner, Associate Attorney
Shelly J. Coffman, consumer claims investigator
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It's a rhetorical device where one says the opposite of what one means, for emphasis. Perhaps you should look it up, you may find it useful.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
Actually, it would be the Board of Commissioners on Grievances and Discipline of the Supreme Court of Ohio that would handle such a complaint. The ABA is a voluntary professional organization that has no such power over attorneys. (Although they are involved in drafting the Model Code of Professional Responsibility).
OSBA article explaining how to file a complaint against an Ohio attorney.
What?
Jason Tomczak is NOT the lead plantiff. He was listed as lead-plantiff when the complaint was originally filed on October 19th, 2005. ( documentation here: http://www.ifoapplestore.com/blog/nano_lawsuit.pdf )
But the lawyers amended their lawsuit 6 days later (October 25th, 2005) naming James M. Wimmer as the lead-plantiff ( documentation: http://www.hbsslaw.com/files/1ST_Amd_Complaint%20( v2)1130368932535.pdf )
But by the time Jason was dropped, the damage was done. He is referenced all over the 'net as a sue-happy whiner.
The lawyers are NOT suing Jason to stop him from dropping out. In fact, as best I can tell from Jason's letter, he is suing them for all the problems they caused him.
BTW: Its significant to note that this is the same law firm suing Apple over hearing-loss issues related to iPods.
... filing suit against the first law firm. He could have cleared his name by going to the state bar. To collect legal fees from this guy, the lawyers would have need to prove a contractual relationship existed. No paper? Good luck with that. THEN it would be time to petition the Court to remedy a rather glaring abuse of process. Judges hate that sort of thing.
This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
To those who are posting home contact information of the attorneys involved in their case, and to those who are interested in contacting those attorneys:
You have every reason to want your voice heard, regarding this case. I am outraged at what appears to be happening. However - go through the proper channels to have your say. Contacting these attorneys *at home* is not appropriate.
Complaining to the attorneys through professional channels is okay, and filing a complaint with the proper legal governing bodies is even better. But if these attorneys receive harassing messages at home, this may be interpreted as a threatining action. Because of the pending lawsuit, this may come up in court and make the "little guy" look bad.
I am not taking the lawyers' side by any means. But think before you speak, so you don't add to the fella's pile of trouble.
I find it interesting that you take so hostile a tone against the plaintiff, and that you attempt to portray irrelevant details as him hiding information or attempting to be deceitful. It appeared like neither to me as I assumed them (perhaps I don't need things to be spelt out as clearly for me though and I'm just able to read between the lines).
I'm fully willing to accept there are two sides to the story and take both sides with a pinch of salt.
That said, it's incredible to suggest that there is "simply not a chance" that the legal firm decided to take on a high profile case guaranteed to generate an enormous amount of free publicity and do try and do it off the back of "some guy they found on the internet" (who they can later try arm twist into staying on board by trying to make him feel like he's "locked in" and has agreed to it all).
There is every chance the legal firm did not behave appropriately, realised they made a mistake when they couldn't arm twist the "plaintiff" into going along for the ride and are now engaged in damage limitation.
I think you'll find there are plenty of highly unscrupulous law firms who take on cases of dubious merit and cajole people into taking up legal action in order to drum up business for the legal firm (even when the plaintiff's are unsure of the merits of the case and are liable to regret it later - it's not like these guys are family solicitors and can be counted on to look after your best interests). If your in any doubt of their prevalence, sitting down in front of the TV and watching the adverts should resolve it.
To be even more explicit, the plaintiff is asserting the legal firm called him after finding his details on the internet. That ought to raise all sort of warning flags and brings the legal firms credibility in to further disrepute (it is possible that's a lie, but it would be a ridiculous thing to lie about as it's going to be reasonably easy to prove or disprove either way from call logs from the operator).
Not getting a written agreement from him was a big gaffe, but don't think for a second that that means he didn't agree to do this. Without question, he did.
No, that's exactly the question, that's what is being disputed.
In a case like this, the failure to get written agreement is in itself highly suspicious. It's not as if they are an amateur legal firm. Given the case, I can't imagine this being an 'oversight' by any credible professional organisation.
I can't even signup for a library card without signing for it, let alone take out a high profile legal case against a large corporation. You don't start issuing press statements that your taking on Apple Computer over a case involving iPod's after looking up the details of some guy on the internet and getting his verbal agreement over the phone.
I think it's far more likely the legal firm knew exactly what they were doing and were counting on the pliability of the plaintiff, and that the approach appears to have backfired (free publicity notwithstanding).