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Apple Loses This Round In Blogger Case

smart2000 writes "A decision has been handed down in O'Grady, et al. v. Superior Court of Santa Clara County, the case commonly referred to as 'Apple vs Bloggers', in previous Slashdot posts. While like any court case it is complex, the short of it is that O'Grady won this round." From the article: "Apple has failed to demonstrate that it cannot identify the sources of the challenged information by means other than compelling petitioners to disclose unpublished information. This fact weighs heavily against disclosure, and on this record is dispositive."

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  1. Ralph Wiggum by revery · · Score: 3, Funny

    Me fail grammar? That's dispositive...

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  2. Apple Computers? by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, now I get it. I was so brand confused. I thought that other Apple company was suing bloggers. Like most people when I think Apple, I instantly think Beatles. ;)

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  3. Dead Wrong by abb3w · · Score: 4, Informative
    The courts said that bloggers are not journalists...

    BZZZT!
    Quote from the ruling, via Wired:

    "We decline the implicit invitation to embroil ourselves in questions of what constitutes 'legitimate journalis(m).' The shield law is intended to protect the gathering and dissemination of news, and that is what petitioners did here."
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  4. Re:Can someone translate? by Kamiza+Ikioi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Basically, the court afforded bloggers the same protections under the law that are given to all journalists, including shield laws.

    shield law n. A law that protects journalists from being compelled to reveal confidential sources of information. - Answers.com

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  5. Lay speculation by abb3w · · Score: 5, Insightful
    IANAL either; I just argue with them about the law. =)

    My educated lay guess: First, the ruling is based in part on the California Constitution Journalist Shield, so in CA they are protected as journalists. Other jurisdictions with shield laws/amendments would consider the ruling advisory, not binding, but would probably be influenced by its arguements. In areas without specific shield laws it would again be advisory, and with more limited use due to the more limited protection of the First Amendment alone; I suppose it might give a basis for arguing against prior restraint in publication for a blog. Of course, that would imply someone would come to try and get a court to order prior restraint on a blog, an idea which would probably make most judge judges call for the Advil.

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  6. Re:dispositive? by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 3, Informative
    Is that anything like double-plus-ungood?

    "Dispositive" isn't from "dis-positive". It's from the same root as "disposition", "dispose", etc. What they're saying is that they don't need to send this case back to the lower court for a retrial or anything like that -- they have enough evidence to make a final decision about the case.

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  7. A weak victory by nsayer · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The victory actually looks rather weak to me. If Apple had been able to demonstrate that they had no other means by which they could have rooted out the source of the leak, then it would seem the court would not have been able to dismiss this so easily.

    Am I missing something?

  8. Re:Can someone translate? by TheViewFromTheGround · · Score: 4, Informative
    Basically, the court afforded bloggers the same protections under the law that are given to all journalists, including shield laws.

    Actually, the court said that they didn't want to rule on what qualifies a person as a "journalist" but would rather focus on the activity. That's a quite sane and reasonable approach.

    I'm currently in the midst of a case where the city of Chicago is aggressively pursuing a subpoena of a writer I work with for our online reporting on police misconduct in conjuction with a federal civil rights lawsuit (see The View From The Ground). One of the questions in these cases always centers on whether or not the writer is "really" a journalist. This court sets a useful precedent in arguing that the spirit of shield laws is intended to protect the activity of making and distributing "news" and not "journalists" per se. Of course, there's no federal shield law, so our situation is different.

    Following the court's logic in this case, you have to wonder how much "journalism" (as in material that appears in newspapers, magazines, etc) is protected by shield laws.

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  9. In Cupertino, war was beginning.... by Chas · · Score: 5, Funny

    SteveJobs: What happen ?

    AppleDrone1: Somebody set up us the bomb.

    AppleDrone2: We get signal.

    SteveJobs: What !

    AppleDrone2: Main screen turn on.

    SteveJobs: It's you !!

    O'Grady: How are you gentlemen !!

    O'Grady: All your secret are belong to us.

    O'Grady: You are on the way to destruction.

    SteveJobs: What you say !!

    O'Grady: You have no chance to survive make your time.

    O'Grady: Ha Ha Ha Ha ....

    AppleDrone2: Steve !! *

    SteveJobs: Take off every 'Mac' !!

    SteveJobs: You know what you doing.

    SteveJobs: Move 'Mac'.

    SteveJobs: For great justice.

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  10. Re:IANAL - so I wonder.... by Pfhreak · · Score: 3, Informative

    A lot of people have tried to make this case about whether bloggers are journalists or not, but the judges have always sidestepped that. The first ruling, when the defendants tried to block the case under California's shield laws, was rejected on the grounds that revealing the existance of the Mac Mini and an audio break-out box wasn't whistleblowing, since they weren't reporting on a health risk coverup or bribery or the like, and that these items were trade secrets. The rulings since then have all been that Apple didn't do the appropriate footwork to find out for themselves who was leaking information before going to court. (Companies are supposed to make every effort to find out the source of trade secret leaks by internal means before subpoenaing people: the court system does not exist as a counter-idustrial-espianoge service for lazy companies.)

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  11. Very interesting by wootest · · Score: 5, Informative

    The whole ruling is interesting reading, but towards the end (page 62 and forward) we find these very interesting lines, which I suppose sum up best why Apple lost the case:

    "The publication here bears little resemblance to that in Bunner, which disclosed a sort of meta-secret, the whole purpose of which was to protect the plaintiff's members' products from unauthorized distribution. Here, no proprietary technology was exposed or compromised. There is no suggestion that anything in petitioners' articles could help anyone to build a product competing with Asteroid. Indeed there is no indication that Asteroid embodied any new technology that could be compromised. Apple's own slide stack, as disclosed in sealed declarations which we have examined, included a table comparing Asteroid to existing, competing products; there is no suggestion that it embodies any particular technical innovation, except perhaps in the fact that it would integrate closely with Apple's own home recording software--a feature reflecting less a technical advance than a prerogative of one who markets both hardware and software.

    The newsworthiness of petitioners' articles thus resided not in any technical disclosures about the product but in the fact that Apple was planning to release such a product, thereby moving into the market for home recording hardware.

    [..]

    Publishing a computer manufacturer's proprietary code may thus be compared to publishing a miller's secret recipe for a breakfast cereal. What occurred here was more like publicizing a secret plan to release a new cereal. Such a secret plan may possess the legal attributes of a trade secret; that is a question we are not here required to decide. But it is of a different order than a secret recipe for a product. And more to the point, the fact of its impending release carries a legitimate interest to the public that a recipe is unlikely to possess."