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Governments, Beyond the Open Source Hype

An anonymous reader writes "ForeignPolicy.com takes a look at Open Source as it applies to governments and some of the reasons that a governing body may or may not like OSS. From the article: 'Governments around the world are enchanted by open-source software. Unlike proprietary software, for which the code is kept secret, the open-source variety can be copied, modified, and shared. [...] Trouble is, the benefits of open source are not always so clear-cut. Software is too complicated a creation to be captured in rhetoric, and assertions about some of the technical benefits of open source fail to tell the whole story.'"

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  1. Its the money, first and foremost by rob_squared · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tell your citizens that its cheaper and they'll thank you for it. The details about where the saved monegy goes usually become obfuscated however.

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    1. Re:Its the money, first and foremost by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More importantly, not only is it cheaper, but the money that is spent on it goes back into the local economy rather than straight into the pockets of a foreign company, because the government have the option of hiring any local firms willing to do the work instead of simply whoever holds the copyright.

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  2. Your average computer user by Blue6 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    is not switching to OSS, until it works out of the box. Most people do not have the time or patience to work on getting NIC and video drivers working. Let alone the effort involved in getting mp3's, DVD's, and the what other have you.

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    1. Re:Your average computer user by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      THen they should be coming to Linux in droves. My last Windows install took 4 hours and required me to hunt for drivers all over the web, and reboot a dozen times. My last Linux install worked smoothly with all hardware recognized.

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  3. Re:Written by an ex-Microsoft employee. by jmorris42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Caroline Benner previously worked as policy researcher for Microsoft's Geopolitical
    > Policy and Strategy Group

    Ya know, I knew something like that was coming before I clicked into this article. The summary alone smelled of astroturf. But they do it because they realize while we will spot the paid 'independent scholarship' almost instantly the intended audience either won't.

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  4. If I were a foreign government by MarkEst1973 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why the hell would I want to entrust all my gov't operations, all my military, all my businesses' computing needs to a closed source, foreign (from my point of view) vendor... like, say, MS?

    Ok, so your military doesn't run windows. Our military runs (or at least used to) Solaris and HP-UX... but those are closed source, too, and owned by a foreign entity.

    In the end, open source provides me -- as a sovereign nation -- the ability to control the critical pieces of my own infrastructure.

    That's how I (as a person) see it, anyway. Whether or not foreign governments agree, I don't know.

  5. OSS isn't everything by linvir · · Score: 4, Insightful
    In practical terms OSS is only relevant as a part of a wider policy. Brazil's Digital Inclusion (Google translation) is a good example. OSS barely even figures in the rhetoric for this. It's just one enabling factor.

    This is how it's always going to be as well. Example: People don't move to Firefox because it's open source. They move to it because they're told it's better than IE, and they then stick with it because it's demonstrably better.

    At the end of the day ideology is irrelevant to most people.

  6. Poorer Countries by runlevel+5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think poorer nations have the most to gain from employing open source software. The lower real cost of obtaining and updating computer systems (when using open source options) enables them to build infrastructures that would cost many times more to operate with closed source OS's and apps.

  7. The sweet smell of plastic grass by Bimo_Dude · · Score: 3, Insightful
    FTA:
    Software, with its millions of lines of code, is so complicated that experts don't know for sure that open source has fewer bugs, nor can they say with certainty that having fewer bugs makes open source more secure.
    It seems to me that this may be all the evidence we need of astroturfing. While I don't really know for sure if this statement is true, there is a glaring omission in the article where the author neglected to compare the time-to-patch for bugs between FOSS and closed software.
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  8. Re:Written by an ex-Microsoft employee. by Tim+C · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Perhaps she quit because she became disgusted with the way in which MS does business, and in fact the entire notion of proprietary software?

    Perhaps she quit because she didn't think they went far enough, and was disgusted that they gave consumers as much freedom as they do?

    The point is, who knows? It might amaze you to learn that not everyone who works for a company necessarily believes in the same ideals, and even if they did, people can change. On the other hand, maybe she is a true believer, and would never change.

    Also just sayin'.

  9. Open Source is Really a Threat by burningion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Open Source is really a threat to most governments. Open source software gives everyone equal access to the same tools, regardless of social class. It threatens the entire model of top-down hiearchy, as open source is a means for equalizing all access to information and exchange of information. Anyone can put together an Apache webserver and begin experimenting with having their own website, for free. No need for expensive schooling, as information is freely available to teach yourself. This will become a "problem" for places like the US, where we utilize the leverage of patents and trade secrets to maintain our superiority in the global marketplace. As places like India and China quickly become more technologically saavy, our economic model becomes threatened. One of the biggest keys in the future will be the regulation of the internet, and the censoring of information. I believe the best thing for the global society is free and anonymous access to all (public) information on the net.

    Make your own DemocraKey, and help spread the technology for free and anonymous access to all information.

  10. Re:Written by an ex-Microsoft employee. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Absolutely. This is horseshit.

    I write proprietary software; and I write it primarily for government organizations (and maybe some private companies, but they have yet to express an interest). No, I'm not willing to ID myself here, hence the coward bit.

    Here's some more FUD for you: the article author makes an association between For-Profit Corporations and proprietary software, on the one hand, and no-corporation amateurs and F/OSS on the other.

    I see this association all the time, and it annoys the hell out of me. Yes, it's convenient for the F/OSS evangelists, and for the proprietary reactionaries. But for people who want to see the free exchange of ideas (and thus the rapid improvement of software) and who want to see everyone, especially their clients, get the best software possible, this association is lethal.

    It's quite simple: if big clients, such as governments and corporations, make "open source" a requirement, and pay more for the software (or pool as groups to commission it), more companies will produce open source software. If more companies do that, those big clients will find themselves paying for fewer titles outright, and instead commissioning customizations that make that software work well for them.

    Yes, it's a stretch. But, at heart, "Open Source" is not anti-commercial; it is simply a different way of doing business. Incidentally, it is a form of doing business that predates the notion of proprietary intellectual property and is far easier to support legally.

    Microsoft wants Office to be usable around the world. But Microsoft could still make money on Office customization and make it open-source.

    Yes, I am insane.

  11. Re:FUD, FUDDER, FUDDEST by rewinn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the Article... it is misleading to say that open source empowers people in ways proprietary software does not. Both open source and proprietary software allow you to change the behavior of a software program in significant ways without touching the program's source code

    Those two sentences go beyond mere FUD to outright deception.

    • It equates empowerment to changing program behavior without changing the source code, as if source code inspection for security flaws were of no significance; +1 FUD
    • It ignores the possibility that modifying source code can be far more empowering more than tweakiing program behavior; +1 FUD
    • It accuses OSS proponents of being misleading. +1 FUD

    Bad doggie! No cookie for you!

  12. The Article is NOT true (Linux excepted) by i+am+kman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, No, No! The headline and much of the article is extremely misleading).

    Sure, governments are starting to use Linux as the ONLY viable alternative to the hated Microsoft.

    But that's it. While Linux is open source, open source is not defined by using Linux.

    Much of the US government explicitly bans open source and I've supported 2 foreign government contracts that also had explicit anti-open source requirements. And they ban open source specifically because it is a potential security risk. In fact, it seems quite reasonable to question why the US (or European) countries would want to use open source code that may have been developed in China or even France (or others countries well known for their industrial espionage).

    In any case, who the hell actually believes open source is MORE secure simply because they publish their millions of lines of code? Like ANY customer is actually going to look at the code.

    Ok, before flaming, I agree some, well tested, well accepted, and well controlled open source with blessed versioning is more secure (probably MUCH more secure) because of exhaustive testing and support by real companies, but that's VERY different than arguing it's more secure governments can peek at the source code.

    As a side note, open STANDARDS are a completely different topic and all governments want, love, and support open standards. Unfortunately, Open Source and Open Standards are very often confused by governments and government contracts.

    That said, some countries like open source because it providesa competative advantage. For instance, China is rapidly excelling in HW production so open source acts to undermine the competative advantages more developed countries have built up in their commercial software industries. (That, and open source allows the Chinese government to insert all sorts of filters in place, but that's a different story).

  13. Penny-wise and future foolish. by jbn-o · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Proprietors agree with you, which is why they're interested in cutting their prices or giving away gratis copies of their software to large-seat clients in exchange for locking government users into something that will pay off (both monetarily and in terms of control) in the future. Money is not and should not be the chief rationale by which these decisions are made or else more valuable points that pay off now and in the future will be lost.

  14. Re:Written by an ex-Microsoft employee. by cp.tar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good one.

    Governments could very well profit from Open source software, as well as the programmers hired to make it.

    Just because it is Open Source, it doesn't mean that the work the programmers put in is free.

    What it does mean is that:

    1. Governments pay a single fee for a piece of software.
    2. The source code of said software is also available, which makes the government vendor-independent.
    3. The money goes to the local economy instead of a company which could buy the country I live in.
    4. When you need something, you have someone do it. You don't wait for the next update & bugfix cycle.

    But because of the omnipresent FUD, very few people in governments worldwide have any idea whatsoever about these things.

    P.S.
    5. ???
    6. Profit!

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  15. Most big "foreign" software vendors are US by rmerry72 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... as are most of the body shops that install and implement these projects. There only foreign if you live outside the US. Following that logic shouldn't the US governments be supporting their own US economy and buying more software from the big boys?

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    1. Re:Most big "foreign" software vendors are US by Bogtha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There only foreign if you live outside the US.

      Erm, yes. What's your point? You do realise that most people live outside the USA? And that when the article talks about governments around the world, they aren't just referring to the USA?

      Following that logic shouldn't the US governments be supporting their own US economy and buying more software from the big boys?

      I don't see why. I identified an advantage that open-source has for most governments. If the advantage does not apply to a particular government, that doesn't mean the proprietary alternative is automatically better, it just means that they are equal in this respect. Think about it - it would be reduced to a choice between local companies (open-source) and local companies (proprietary).

      PS: To make yourself appear more intelligent.

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    2. Re:Most big "foreign" software vendors are US by Bogtha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you're point is about foreign and national companies.

      Let's clear the terminology up. I understand "national" companies to be companies that are partly controlled by the state. Given that we are talking about trade between countries, I used the word "local" to talk about companies owned by citizens of the country in question. I am not differentiating between different areas of the same country.

      I'm saying that, all other things being equal, open-source software allows governments to get software work done in such a way that the profit is earned by people residing in that particular country. Proprietary software, on the other hand, forces at least some part of that profit to go to the shareholders of the company that holds the copyright to the software, which - for most governments of the world - means that the government is giving money away to other countries.

      You see, if a government spends money in such a way that the money goes to the people in that country, the country doesn't get any poorer. But if it spends money in such a way that the money goes to the people in another country, it does get poorer. Buying proprietary software services makes a country poorer if that software is imported. Buying open-source software services does not make a country poorer because there's no need to use foreign companies.

      for products from foreign companies "control" of the code is an issue and should be considered above and beyond money.

      Well yes, I should hope that software required for a country's infrastructure should come with buildable source code, but that's not at all what I was saying, and it's unrelated to open-source. Open source doesn't just mean access to the source code..

      Are you worried about your state or city govenment "giving control" of some vital infrastructure software to Redmond or Silicon Valley?

      Certainly. Why wouldn't I? Are you assuming I'm from the USA?

      PS: To make yourself appear more intelligent.

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