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Governments, Beyond the Open Source Hype

An anonymous reader writes "ForeignPolicy.com takes a look at Open Source as it applies to governments and some of the reasons that a governing body may or may not like OSS. From the article: 'Governments around the world are enchanted by open-source software. Unlike proprietary software, for which the code is kept secret, the open-source variety can be copied, modified, and shared. [...] Trouble is, the benefits of open source are not always so clear-cut. Software is too complicated a creation to be captured in rhetoric, and assertions about some of the technical benefits of open source fail to tell the whole story.'"

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  1. Its the money, first and foremost by rob_squared · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tell your citizens that its cheaper and they'll thank you for it. The details about where the saved monegy goes usually become obfuscated however.

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    1. Re:Its the money, first and foremost by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More importantly, not only is it cheaper, but the money that is spent on it goes back into the local economy rather than straight into the pockets of a foreign company, because the government have the option of hiring any local firms willing to do the work instead of simply whoever holds the copyright.

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  2. Written by an ex-Microsoft employee. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    This article is written by a Ms. Caroline Benner.

    And if we look her up, we find...
    Caroline Benner previously worked as policy researcher for Microsoft's Geopolitical Policy and Strategy Group
    ...as her only listed non-media job on at least one version of her bio.

    Just saying.
    1. Re:Written by an ex-Microsoft employee. by jmorris42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Caroline Benner previously worked as policy researcher for Microsoft's Geopolitical
      > Policy and Strategy Group

      Ya know, I knew something like that was coming before I clicked into this article. The summary alone smelled of astroturf. But they do it because they realize while we will spot the paid 'independent scholarship' almost instantly the intended audience either won't.

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    2. Re:Written by an ex-Microsoft employee. by cp.tar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good one.

      Governments could very well profit from Open source software, as well as the programmers hired to make it.

      Just because it is Open Source, it doesn't mean that the work the programmers put in is free.

      What it does mean is that:

      1. Governments pay a single fee for a piece of software.
      2. The source code of said software is also available, which makes the government vendor-independent.
      3. The money goes to the local economy instead of a company which could buy the country I live in.
      4. When you need something, you have someone do it. You don't wait for the next update & bugfix cycle.

      But because of the omnipresent FUD, very few people in governments worldwide have any idea whatsoever about these things.

      P.S.
      5. ???
      6. Profit!

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  3. If I were a foreign government by MarkEst1973 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Why the hell would I want to entrust all my gov't operations, all my military, all my businesses' computing needs to a closed source, foreign (from my point of view) vendor... like, say, MS?

    Ok, so your military doesn't run windows. Our military runs (or at least used to) Solaris and HP-UX... but those are closed source, too, and owned by a foreign entity.

    In the end, open source provides me -- as a sovereign nation -- the ability to control the critical pieces of my own infrastructure.

    That's how I (as a person) see it, anyway. Whether or not foreign governments agree, I don't know.

  4. OSS isn't everything by linvir · · Score: 4, Insightful
    In practical terms OSS is only relevant as a part of a wider policy. Brazil's Digital Inclusion (Google translation) is a good example. OSS barely even figures in the rhetoric for this. It's just one enabling factor.

    This is how it's always going to be as well. Example: People don't move to Firefox because it's open source. They move to it because they're told it's better than IE, and they then stick with it because it's demonstrably better.

    At the end of the day ideology is irrelevant to most people.

  5. Re:Your average computer user by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    THen they should be coming to Linux in droves. My last Windows install took 4 hours and required me to hunt for drivers all over the web, and reboot a dozen times. My last Linux install worked smoothly with all hardware recognized.

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  6. Curiously contradictory article summary? by Angostura · · Score: 3, Informative

    On the one hand the article summary claims:

    "Trouble is, the benefits of open source are not always so clear-cut. Software is too complicated a creation to be captured in rhetoric"

    While at the same time giving us a splendidly succinct piece of rhetoric:

    Unlike proprietary software, for which the code is kept secret, the open-source variety can be copied, modified, and shared. [...]

  7. The sweet smell of plastic grass by Bimo_Dude · · Score: 3, Insightful
    FTA:
    Software, with its millions of lines of code, is so complicated that experts don't know for sure that open source has fewer bugs, nor can they say with certainty that having fewer bugs makes open source more secure.
    It seems to me that this may be all the evidence we need of astroturfing. While I don't really know for sure if this statement is true, there is a glaring omission in the article where the author neglected to compare the time-to-patch for bugs between FOSS and closed software.
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    1. Re:The sweet smell of plastic grass by Ithika · · Score: 4, Interesting

      nor can they say with certainty that having fewer bugs makes open source more secure

      Well, that's a good one. "There's no evidence that our product, having more flaws than their product, is actually any worse."

      Oh puh-lease.

  8. Open Source is Really a Threat by burningion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Open Source is really a threat to most governments. Open source software gives everyone equal access to the same tools, regardless of social class. It threatens the entire model of top-down hiearchy, as open source is a means for equalizing all access to information and exchange of information. Anyone can put together an Apache webserver and begin experimenting with having their own website, for free. No need for expensive schooling, as information is freely available to teach yourself. This will become a "problem" for places like the US, where we utilize the leverage of patents and trade secrets to maintain our superiority in the global marketplace. As places like India and China quickly become more technologically saavy, our economic model becomes threatened. One of the biggest keys in the future will be the regulation of the internet, and the censoring of information. I believe the best thing for the global society is free and anonymous access to all (public) information on the net.

    Make your own DemocraKey, and help spread the technology for free and anonymous access to all information.

  9. ...And the FUD-spreading site runs on what? by orzetto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Running a nmap -P0 -O foreignpolicy.com, you get among other things:

    Device type: general purpose|media device
    Running: Linux 2.4.X, Pace embedded
    OS details: Linux 2.4.18 - 2.4.27, Pace digital cable TV receiver
    Uptime 175.187 days (since Tue Dec 6 19:18:51 2005)

    So it's open source, Linux, and running continuosly for 6 months. Ahh, the coherence.

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  10. Heh. Take a look at the source. by dbarclay10 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Caroline Benner is a fellow at the University of Washington's Institute for International Policy. From 2001 to 2003, Ms. Benner was a consultant with the geopolitical policy and strategy group at Microsoft.

    Yeah. Take a look at the source. I wonder if maybe she's still freelancing for them.

    Really all the article does is point out that there's no silver bullet. She does so by pointing out that there are "claims" about open source. That's it. She doesn't dispute the claims. She just says they're claims. Unsurprisingly, she also doesn't point to the evidence of the claims.

    FUD stands for "fear, uncertainty, and doubt." This may very well be a simple, subtle form of doubt-sewing. Nothing actually inaccurate in the article, that I saw, but also called into question some faily well-proven FOSS benefits (such as a lower cost of ownership).

    About the worst I saw was:

    For example, they believe that the total cost of ownership of open-source software is lower than that of proprietary software because they avoid the expensive licensing fees that companies like Microsoft charge.

    Actually, most people I know don't consider "Total Cost of Ownership." That's a term made up by Microsoft in an attempt to make FOSS proponents look like they're narrow-minded and that their conclusions were incomplete and "irrelevant to business." Everybody I know looks at "cost" - period. "Cost", by definition, without any modifiers, *must* mean total cost. "Partial cost" or "license cost" may mean something other than Cost, capital C.

    Likewise, relatively few people I know think Microsoft licensing is the main cost in a Microsoft shop; the legions of sysadmins and helpdesk staff, as well as the lost productivity and downtime cost quickly outweight the (relatively benign) up-front cost of Microsoft software. Take a look at Red Hat's licensing - it's actually more expensive than Microsoft on most fronts. You make it up tenfold in reduced operating expenses, however, and you can save even more in operating expenses if you go with a more technologically advanced flavour such as Debian GNU/Linux (you also reduce the up-front procurement costs as well).

    Bah. I can't believe I wasted five minutes debunking this Microsoft-shill fluff piece.

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  11. Penny-wise and future foolish. by jbn-o · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Proprietors agree with you, which is why they're interested in cutting their prices or giving away gratis copies of their software to large-seat clients in exchange for locking government users into something that will pay off (both monetarily and in terms of control) in the future. Money is not and should not be the chief rationale by which these decisions are made or else more valuable points that pay off now and in the future will be lost.

  12. A response for the non-techie by grcumb · · Score: 3, Informative

    Benner's article states:

    'In a 2002 letter to Microsoft, Peruvian Congressman Edgar David Villanueva Núñez noted that, "Relative to the security of the software itself, it is well known that all software (whether proprietary or free) contains 'errors' or 'bugs' (in programmers' slang). But it is also well-known that the bugs in free software are fewer." Yet, ask computer security experts and they'll tell you that's not necessarily true. Software, with its millions of lines of code, is so complicated that experts don't know for sure that open source has fewer bugs, nor can they say with certainty that having fewer bugs makes open source more secure.'

    This statement is true, as far as it goes. But it ignores something that's far more important than the opinion of a computer scientist: empirical evidence. No matter how you measure it, FOSS software is successfully exploited far less often than proprietary software. In many cases, the differences are striking. There are, for example, effectively no Linux viruses in the wild.

    Even in cases where FOSS is the dominant application (like the Apache web server, for example) the number of successful attacks are so much lower that there is no effective competition from the alternatives.

    So the key here is not whether software is provably secure (i.e. auditable) but that it's effectively secure. The difference here is subtle, especially to those who don't understand software. It's something crucially important, however.

    There's another issue here that's at the core of the Free Software philosophy: process. The FOSS software development process is based entirely delivering quality software. In fact, development cycles and processes often sacrifice convenience for IT folks in favour of solid code. Proprietary software is almost always driven by business priorities which sometimes - but not always - put a low priority on software quality.

    Another quotation from the article:

    'There are really two reasons that it is very difficult to know whether software is secure [....] The first reason is that even the simplest software program consists of hundreds of thousands to millions of parts, and potentially all of these have to be correct, or the system may have security vulnerabilities. The second reason is that we have no technology for systematically checking that the parts are correct and fit together in a way that ensures security."'

    Both of these points (that even simple software is hopelessly complex, and that there is no systematic way to test intereactions between software) are inaccurate. It's like saying that human bodies are composed of billions of cells, so we'll never be able to measure a person's health.

    Unix-inspired systems usually use a 'toolkit' approach, in which a number of small, special-purpose tools are brought together to perform complex tasks. The result is that each individual part is very well understood and performs its task(s) in a clear fashion. So, while it may be true that it's hard to document every possible interaction between software elememts, that's not nearly the problem the writer makes it out to be.

    The article concludes:

    'Software becomes more interesting--indeed, rhetoric-worthy--when it promises a better future. Open source may well deliver that promise, but computer science is too young a discipline, and there is too much we do not yet know about software to be so sure.'

    This is a silly argument, especially in an article that claims to compare two alternative approaches to software. Computer science is not a young discipline, even if you compare it to physics and mathematics. The fundamentals of computing were understood even before we had computers to test with. The assertion that we just don't know enough is just plain wrong-headed.

    Furthermore, even if it is true that we don't know enough, shouldn't that be an argument in favour of open source, where at least nothing is deliberately hidden?

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  13. Because it works by porkThreeWays · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work in municipal gov't in Florida. We use a lot of open source software in our organization. Why? Because it works. It has little to do with money. I've never been denied money for software if I can justify it.

    "Enterprise" software has never really impressed me. A great deal of the time, the guy on the other end of support is no more knowledgable than me of the product. That is when you are lucky enough to get someone who speaks english natively. So what's the point for lackluster support? (Hardware is the exception. Many service plans can guarantee you a new server in less than 4 hours).

    Highly specialized software generally has an unreasonable amount of bugs. We have one dept that has "enterprise level software", that I'm in the process of rewriting its so buggy. It's almost as if this company has no regression testing procedures in place.

    And it's always a lot of fun paying 2,000k a pop for marginal glue code between applications. God-forbid that gluecode break one side. You'll get thorwn into a fun blame game of each company blaming the other. You need complex glue code? That'll be $10,000 and 6 months. You'll also recieve a windows front end in tk with extremely complex install directions. Minor versions are incompatible. You can never patch that box because xp sp2 will break the very customized non-standard registry settings.

    People can spread all the FUD they want about open source, but I use it on a daily basis whenever I can. I have control over it and things just work. It's comical to see some of the rediculous things that go on in the closed source community. I like being able to change the ip address of a server if I have to. I don't need a license holding me back from doing that.

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