Posted by
ryuzaki0
on from the wipe-the-hard-drive dept.
Many people have submitted this story of a broken laptop purchased on e-bay. The buyer gives a little lesson on why you should always clean your hard drive before you sell a computer.
I agree about the cleaning of the harddrive, but this really seems like useless drama to me. Is this really news, or internet angst taken a bit too far?
Has this guy got much legal defence?
by
Freaky+Spook
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· Score: 3, Interesting
This guy sold the computer and recieved payment? Wouldn't that mean the hard drive & its contents are now owned by the guy who bought it, and its up to him what he wants to do to it?
Its like someone selling a house then going back 6 months later trying to reclaim property they left behind.
Which goes back to where's the proof he committed fraud, the item was shipped, the person was able to access the hard drive (I know there are plenty of ways of doing so with and without a working laptop.), but there was no documentation as to what was borked on the computer.
He simply stated that it was broke.
No pictures of the broken item, no description of what was broke. Just a statement that the ram and DVD-Rom was wrong, again, -hear-say.
For all I can tell, it was missing a charger which can lead to all sorts of assumptions.
The extortion part comes in to play with the statement that boils down to you pay, it goes away.
Re:Unverifiable? Let's give it a go...
by
balthan
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· Score: 3, Interesting
Also, amir6626's only positive feedback is from 'nicktofang'.
Amir's last name is Tofangsazan.
Re:Unverifiable? Let's give it a go...
by
mister_tim
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Also, the one piece of positive feedback showing on Amir6626's eBay profile is from nicktofang, who seems to share a name quite similar to Amir Tofangsazan. nicktofang also has mediocre feedback, is no longer a member, and started with one piece of good feedback from amir6626.
Certainly looks fishy to me.
just wondering?
by
atarione
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· Score: 3, Interesting
for everyone that says it is "wrong"..illegal..etc for the buyer to have posted the pics?
the Seller sold the buyer the equipment... the harddrive thusly becoming the property of the "buyer"....Didn't the contents of the harddrive also became the property of the buyer????
Assuming that is correct... would it really be "wrong" for the buyer to utilize the contents of the drive to his choosing????
i certainly hope no action is taken agaist the "buyer" (assuming of course the lappy was as described broken and otherwise not as advertised).
-- actually I am happy to see you, however that is in fact a banana in my pocket.
> Unlikely considering he sold the data to the buyer.
Except that pimpy neoliberal nerds of America do not make law in Europe (yet). Certain unalienable things cannot be sold, just like you cannot sell yourself to slavery.
Even when the law allows you to voluntarily provide your data for handling to certain private economic entities (like marketing agencies), the data recepient must have an established corporate legal framework and EU-compliant privacy protection charta approved by the authorities. The laptop buyer certainly meets none of that.
Europe, especially continental Europe is very paranoid about personal data handling. We have gazillion paragraphs to protect people over that. Personal info databases of separete functionality must not be connected just for ease of operation, but for a compelling need, approved by 2/3rd parlamentary vote or supreme court decision, and many other restictions like that.
The avenger guy will be held responsibly almost as seriously as if he had found state secrets on that laptop and uploaded that confidental info on the open web.
Look at from this viewpoint: the photos the laptop buyer uploaded allege that the seller is homosexual or at least bisexual. In the Holocaust, same-sex people were the third largest minority group persecuted by the nazi (after jews and gipsy). That was a mere 60 years ago. Hope you understand why we think such data better not be handled, collected, traded, disclosed by anyone in Europe or anywhere in the world. The data privacy situation in the USA is frightening for any european.
BTW, if this reported event happened in Switzerland, the laptop buyer would have been murdered two dozen times already. That country values absolute privacy over justice, truth or honesty due to its entire reliance on banking, much of which is very dirty (dictators, drug barons, arms smugglers, world politicans, speculants, spies all keep their fiscals there).
say hello to the 1950s for me
by
RMH101
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· Score: 4, Interesting
"Also, the british mentality values privacy of the individual over anything else. The guy who posted someone else's details in public made himself anathema from the community of gentlemen and may have difficulty finding a job or gaining university admission by showing such moral definiencies in handling details of others' personal lifes.
Are you posting that from the Victorian era?
We now have Big Brother as one of our most popular TV shows (attention seeking nobodies stuck in a house and monitored live 24/7), the most CCTV in Europe etc...
karma, that's all there is to say
I honestly love when ppl's stupidity overrules their lack of honesty and it bites them.
I agree about the cleaning of the harddrive, but this really seems like useless drama to me. Is this really news, or internet angst taken a bit too far?
This guy sold the computer and recieved payment? Wouldn't that mean the hard drive & its contents are now owned by the guy who bought it, and its up to him what he wants to do to it?
Its like someone selling a house then going back 6 months later trying to reclaim property they left behind.
Which goes back to where's the proof he committed fraud, the item was shipped, the person was able to access the hard drive (I know there are plenty of ways of doing so with and without a working laptop.), but there was no documentation as to what was borked on the computer.
He simply stated that it was broke.
No pictures of the broken item, no description of what was broke. Just a statement that the ram and DVD-Rom was wrong, again, -hear-say.
For all I can tell, it was missing a charger which can lead to all sorts of assumptions.
The extortion part comes in to play with the statement that boils down to you pay, it goes away.
Also, amir6626's only positive feedback is from 'nicktofang'.
Amir's last name is Tofangsazan.
Also, the one piece of positive feedback showing on Amir6626's eBay profile is from nicktofang, who seems to share a name quite similar to Amir Tofangsazan. nicktofang also has mediocre feedback, is no longer a member, and started with one piece of good feedback from amir6626.
Certainly looks fishy to me.
for everyone that says it is "wrong" ..illegal ..etc for the buyer to have posted the pics?
the Seller sold the buyer the equipment... the harddrive thusly becoming the property of the "buyer"....Didn't the contents of the harddrive also became the property of the buyer????
Assuming that is correct... would it really be "wrong" for the buyer to utilize the contents of the drive to his choosing????
i certainly hope no action is taken agaist the "buyer" (assuming of course the lappy was as described broken and otherwise not as advertised).
actually I am happy to see you, however that is in fact a banana in my pocket.
> Unlikely considering he sold the data to the buyer.
Except that pimpy neoliberal nerds of America do not make law in Europe (yet). Certain unalienable things cannot be sold, just like you cannot sell yourself to slavery.
Even when the law allows you to voluntarily provide your data for handling to certain private economic entities (like marketing agencies), the data recepient must have an established corporate legal framework and EU-compliant privacy protection charta approved by the authorities. The laptop buyer certainly meets none of that.
Europe, especially continental Europe is very paranoid about personal data handling. We have gazillion paragraphs to protect people over that. Personal info databases of separete functionality must not be connected just for ease of operation, but for a compelling need, approved by 2/3rd parlamentary vote or supreme court decision, and many other restictions like that.
The avenger guy will be held responsibly almost as seriously as if he had found state secrets on that laptop and uploaded that confidental info on the open web.
Look at from this viewpoint: the photos the laptop buyer uploaded allege that the seller is homosexual or at least bisexual. In the Holocaust, same-sex people were the third largest minority group persecuted by the nazi (after jews and gipsy). That was a mere 60 years ago. Hope you understand why we think such data better not be handled, collected, traded, disclosed by anyone in Europe or anywhere in the world. The data privacy situation in the USA is frightening for any european.
BTW, if this reported event happened in Switzerland, the laptop buyer would have been murdered two dozen times already. That country values absolute privacy over justice, truth or honesty due to its entire reliance on banking, much of which is very dirty (dictators, drug barons, arms smugglers, world politicans, speculants, spies all keep their fiscals there).
Are you posting that from the Victorian era?
We now have Big Brother as one of our most popular TV shows (attention seeking nobodies stuck in a house and monitored live 24/7), the most CCTV in Europe etc...