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Google is Microsoft's New Open Source

Robert writes "Steve Ballmer told investors recently that Microsoft's biggest challenge is embracing software-as-a-service business models, as embodied by rival Google Inc. Investing in software as a service and advertising-supported businesses is a challenge like that which the company faced at the dawn of the open-source movement. To paraphrase him heavily, the takeaway was: Yes, we're investing a lot, but it's riskier, long-term, not to do so. We have a lot of cool stuff coming up and, yes, we are also playing catch-up on a couple of fronts. His speech came a month after Microsoft revealed that its R&D budget for fiscal 2007, which ends mid-2007, would rise to $6.2bn." From the article: "We've got to make this transition, which our industry is making, from software as a product to software as a service ... If you want to be a leading software company, you've got to be a leading software-as-a-service company."

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  1. Nothin wrong with this... by IAmTheDave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft has real competition, forcing them to develop better, more competitive software. Downside?

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    1. Re:Nothin wrong with this... by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Microsoft has real competition, forcing them to develop better, more competitive software. Downside?

      The downside for Microsoft is that they are their own worst enemy. People already pay Microsoft for their software (either embedded in the cost of a PC or at the store for things like Office) . Now Microsoft is in the tough position of getting people to transition from paying for software upfront to paying for it as a service without people realizing they are getting the short end of the stick. This will be much easier with things like office and other products you typically buy in the store. For things like windows, it will be hard to convince people that they need to pay monthly to use their PCs after they have already paid up front for the hardware and OS. Of Microsoft makes it too painless, they shoot themselves in the foot by not making as much as they could. If they make it too painful, they stand to lose marketshare, especially if companies like Novell and IBM come out and really pump the idea that you don't have to pay to keep your Linux machines running.

    2. Re:Nothin wrong with this... by ClosedSource · · Score: 4, Funny

      Truly a nightmare scenario for those who don't need a rational reason to hate MS.

    3. Re:Nothin wrong with this... by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Downside?

      The competition is an illusion.

      Google exists in an entirely different sphere of influence than Microsoft. Microsoft is not protecting its base against competition so much as it is doing what it has always done:

      Found out that someone else is making money and trying to muscle in on it.

      Microsoft is in the software business. Google is not in the software as service business. They are in the advertising business, just as a billboard company is not in the real estate business, even though they must interact with the real estate market in order to sell their advertising product.

      And the only people demanding "software as a service" are the advertising buyers/sellers.

      KFG

    4. Re:Nothin wrong with this... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that MS is not fighting on their own turf now. I think the odds are a lot less in MS's favor this time. It has sorely neglected the Internet, and every attempt to get its Internet services to the fore have failed miserably. Between Google and Firefox eroding the browser base, MS is going to have to fight this one by rules it did not make up.

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  2. OK. Turn off slashdot. by gowen · · Score: 5, Funny

    We have now found the perfect slashdot headline.
    All the key memes are there.
    We need continue no longer.

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  3. Downside! by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    When I have to rent my word processor and spread sheet program.

    This is vaguely similar to the RIAA, etc wanting us to merely rent music, or repurchase it in a new format every so often, instead of owning it outright.

    Music as a service. Software as a service. What's the difference?

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    1. Re:Downside! by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No real difference and I think both are fine. You want to pay $x per song and own it forever, you can. You want to pay $x per month for unlimited use (but stops when you stop paying), you can. Choice is good.

      That said I personally like the software as a service model less than the music model. At least with the music you are constantly getting new material for the monthly price where software is (more or less) just paying for the exact same thing again and again. But thats just me and even in those cases depending on the monthly cost to "rent" vs the cost to "buy" it could still be a good deal. Anyway, I'm always glad to see more choices even it I don't happen to like one of them. Someone else might really like the other choice for some reason and I'm glad its available to them.

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    2. Re:Downside! by Twiceblessedman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem will arise when the only choice left is the service model. It's not good for the customers.

  4. I'm not renting software by blueZ3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    from Microsoft or anyone else. I will either use OpenSource software that's free (as in beer) or in cases where I must have some functionality that's only offered in a proprietary package, I'll buy software outright. If the only way to get a particular bit of software is to rent it, I'll go without.

    Lots of the software that I use on a daily basis hasn't been updated in years. This is especially true of expensive packages like FrameMaker (5.5.6), Illustrator (v 10) and other software I purchased for consulting work back in the day. I'm not dropping another $600 on FrameMaker for the minimal feature updates (although I hear 7.0 has multiple levels of undo :-> ) though I needed it enough in 2000 that I dropped the cash. (I don't do warez, so that's not an option)

    I run Office 2000 (it came "free" with a PC) on my one Windows box, and don't see a compelling reason to upgrade. I certainly won't be paying Redmond a monthly rental fee to run an office suite. I allow Google to display ads, but I'm not paying Google any actual cash and I've pretty much trained myself so that I don't even see the ads anymore. Ballmer & company still don't get it.

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  5. Re:Um...their new? by grammar+fascist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, their new challenger? Would it be more accurate to say their "additional" challenger?

    Nah. Microsoft can't concentrate on more than one opponent at a time.

    The funny thing is, I can't tell whether I'm being facetious, either.

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  6. Personal use is not the only revenue stream by bec1948 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Our personal thoughts about Microsoft, Pro or Con, are not that relevant in the larger scheme of things. If we look at Microsoft's total suite of products as a fairly well integrated (and improving) stack of platforms, tools and user interfaces for collaborative work, then the move to Software as a Service is both logical and perhaps ultimately the way everyone will go.

    There are some many possible threads here that it's not possible to give a coherent discussion when I'm here at work, but here are some of the ideas that come to mind as an advantage of the concept from a somewhat Microsoft centric perspective:

    • Use the same applications on all devices (PCs, Macs, Phones, Game consoles, TVs, IPods, Things that haven't been invented yet)
    • For corporations only pay for software that's actually used, non a mass volume license that often includes wasted licenses.
    • Access to work from anywhere - Writerly and some of the competitors already offer a form of this
    • Smooth integration of multiple data types from almost anywhere into a document. Consider how complex linking content can be when you're doing it relative to your computer and its local (or LAN) storage. Now consider those links in a UDDI/XML/HTML Web

    Shortness of time limits clarity on these ideas. Resolving them in our discussions here can be fun, but I think Microsoft should pay us for the privlege. Don't you?

    These are all areas where Microsoft can bring a very rich user experience that will drive the competitors to greatly improve their offerings. It will also force Microsoft to be more open and accessible to other vendor's products, solutions and open standards. Resolving all the issues involved will take a long time. I've been involved with these discussions for over a dozen years now. I expect it will take another dozen for these things to work as well as we imagine them to.

    There's another point that's been made by others too. Moving from a license per box to a license per use and even mostly free stuff business model will be painful. Look at Novell. One of their biggest revenue problems is that the move to FOSS has occurred more quickly than they expected driving revenues down faster than they'd planned and could adjust for.

    Microsoft will feel similar pain, but is learning from all the pioneers how not to get shot in the back. It is what they are best at

  7. Transitioning to Irrelevance by ewhac · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Fine, Microsoft, go right ahead. Transition your business to, "software as a service." And when you get there, you'll realize there's no "there" there, and will implode to a business of relative insignificance.

    A hammer is not a "service." A paintbrush is not a "service." A car is not a "service." They are tools. And, unless people use them very infrequently, people don't rent their tools. They buy them so that they may own them. Software follows this analogy to a very high degree. Software is a tool and, as such, the market for "rented" tools is way way smaller than the pundits are predicting. This will become even more true as Open Source solutions continue to make inroads and force aside overpriced proprietary solutions that are buggier and offer almost no extra compelling functionality.

    Microsoft does know how to Pwnz0r and expand existing markets but, so far, they have largely failed to create new ones. Software-as-a-service is a dead end, especially for a company the size of Microsoft.

    Schwab

  8. What's the problem? by i+am+kman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's with all the rants about renting software. That's hardly the point of the article or service-based software.

    Service based software has many revenue streams and powerful advantages. First, it'd be great to have a virtual desktop that followed me whereever I logged into. Not only do my files follow, but I can login to a kiosk and actually edit my Powerpoint before a presentation (without the danger of locally saving it). This is a great model (with enough bandwidth) that facilitates collaboration and mobility.

    Second, many companies are already paying through the nose for a similar model. We pay hundreds of dollars/year/user for PC service support with software. Many folks only occassionally use the MS apps, but we have to buy licenses for each PC. It would be FAR cheaper if we could centrally host the applications and pay by usage. And this would also enable us to automatically backup files and allow users to access programs from home. Users often lose data when their desktop crashes. No more with service-based software!

    Third, look at the Turbo-Tax model. It's $70 for the desktop version (PLUS electronic filing fees) and $20 online with FREE electronic filing. The service based model would be similar. Pay $500 for MS Office or $40/year to use/access the same thing. It's likely to be MUCH cheaper.

    Fourth, they'll also license it to folks like Google who will then provide it to us for free (or VERY cheaply as a premier member) as a service and part of their total desktop management.

    Just wanted to point out that there's many good things about this. Dismissing anything MS does simply because it's MS totally misses the point. Sure, it could (and might) suck, but it could also be a great thing.

  9. Re:OK. Turn off slashdot. by Fizzl · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's still missing a speculative question mark and the word 'killer'.