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Mob Rule on China's Internet

Alien54 writes to mention an International Herald Tribune article about the growing phenomenon in China known as internet hunting; Using the web to track down individuals who have violated social more or broken the law. From the article: "In recent cases, people have scrutinized husbands suspected of cheating on their wives, fraud on Internet auction sites, the secret lives of celebrities and unsolved crimes. One case that drew a huge following involved the poisoning of a Tsinghua University student - an event that dates to 1994, but was revived by curious strangers after word spread on the Internet that the only suspect in the case had been questioned and released. Even a recent scandal involving a top Chinese computer scientist dismissed for copying an American processor design came to light in part because of Internet hunting, with scores of online commentators raising questions about the project and putting pressure on the scientist's sponsors to look into allegations about intellectual property theft."

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  1. Is this what happens... by ericspinder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is this what happens when you keep people from looking at porn all day? Perhaps it represents the amount of time that intelligent people 'waste' discussing politics.\ Or has the Internet awoken community interest, and those discussions are just the first steps to a more open society.

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    1. Re:Is this what happens... by packetmon · · Score: 3, Informative

      A more open society, or a more open social network online? ... I wonder if some of these articles aren't just fantastic stories created by someone that made a cluster of pissed off Chinese want to go Kung Fu someone's ass. Anyhow, I was just reading about cyberpsychology which is interesting... (off topic... yup) Do we communicate more openly and honestly in cyberspace, or are we more apt to hide our true feelings and personalities? How accurate are our beliefs about how others see us can we effectively view ourselves through other peoples eyes? This chapter will explore ways that social perception in cyberspace can be better understood by applying psychological principles, research, and theory. There are three major sections. The first is an examination of the nature of computer-mediated communication CMC as viewed by several prominent theoretical models, outlining how these models assess possible sources of accurate and inaccurate perceptions online and the impact of perceptions in cyberspace on everyday face-to-face social relationships. Next, the chapter explores the role of relevant cognitive processes in the development of online perceptions, including the activation of stereotypes, self-confirmation of attributions, and the instantiation of social identity. The final section examines the problem of accurately knowing how others perceive oneself in cyberspace versus in face-to-face interactions. http://www.vepsy.com/communication/volume2.html

  2. WikiJudge? by ajs · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can just see it... "today, a man was sentenced to death after a jury of his p33rz found that he was 'fscked up.'"

    1. Re:WikiJudge? by Kesch · · Score: 5, Funny

      1st they came for the n00bs
      and I did not spe4k out
      because I am ub3r.

      Then they came for the f4gs
      and I did not spe4k out
      I'm no f4g.

      Then they came for the h4xx0rs
      and I did not spe4k out
      because I dont need h4xx0rs, I have 1337 skillz.

      Then they came for me
      and there was no one left
      excpet for us h4rdc0res who went and raided Molten Core all day happily ever after.

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  3. Just like a jury of your peers! by nickgrieve · · Score: 4, Funny

    What could possibly go wrong? Because you know, everything you read on the internet is true.

  4. Wait... by ObjetDart · · Score: 3, Funny
    So let me get this straight... China has some kind of anarchic version of the internet, where users post whatever they want, and are free to band together to form loose coalitions organized around common interests?

    Where can we get one of those?

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    I read Usenet for the articles.
  5. At least the Chinese can pick good nicks! by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the article, the husband's nick is Freezing Blade (I bet his 'blade' isn't getting any warmer, hehe), the cheating student goes by Bronze Mustache (Anyone else picturing a Chinese version of most 70's porn stars?) and the wife is Quiet Moon (Too... Many... Jokes...) . Sounds like the cast of an adult anime. ;-)

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    - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
  6. This is an example of why ... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... vigilantism is a bad idea.

    You hear calls for vigilante activity a lot, on the net and in the real world. And it's got lots of emotional appeal. But it always turns into mob rule, with absolutely no mechanism for protecting the innocent.

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    The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
  7. No clear voice of Moral Authority by DumbSwede · · Score: 4, Informative

    Being married to a Chinese national and having just come back from China I'll weigh in with a few observations. Social obligation is considered very high, but not in a legal sense. The cultural revolution of the seventies and even the Communist party of today placed/places a high value on public self recrimination as a means to redemption. Pointing out the flaws in others has been a way of deflecting unwanted attention to ones self in China for decades. I won't go into details about the personal lives of some of my wife's friends, but based on what she tells me adultery and divorce are becoming as common in China as they are in America. Violent crime may be much lower but all other forms of crime abound.

    This new internet activism is probably a reaction to the commonly held belief that social mores are going to hell in a hand basket. My wife, an agnostic like myself, wonders if there is some value in most people having Religion in order to hold the more selfish, destructive behaviors in check. It would sadden me if this is the case, but as the Chinese government lessens its control of its citizenry and with the majority having no clear religion, there has been a corresponding rise in what most consider immoral behavior, and thus the current backlash.

    Now whether the new behavior is truly immoral is a separate question, and as an agnostic one I have no firm answer for.

    1. Re:No clear voice of Moral Authority by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 3, Interesting
      My wife, an agnostic like myself, wonders if there is some value in most people having Religion in order to hold the more selfish, destructive behaviors in check.

      George Washington thought so, in his Farewell Address he said:

      Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
      It is pretty well established that Washington himself was at least a Deist, if not agnostic to the point of soft atheism.

      (As an aside, here is something very interesting - as I was looking for the exact quote to cut-n-paste into this message, I ran across an article by Michael Novak slamming the ACLU and attempting to justify it with the above quotation from George Washington. Except, Novak misquoted Washington in a fashion that hides Washington's clearly judgemental opinion of the type of people who 'need' religion.)