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On Orbital Fuel Stations

dylanduck writes "Being able to fill up your spacecraft from a fuel depot in orbit round the Earth or Moon is key to the long-term prospects of astronauts exploring the solar system, according to NASA engineers. Trouble is NASA doesn't want to build it themselves. So there's $5 million for any enterprising groups who can develop a simple version themselves."

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  1. Re:Hmmm by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There might be methods whereby you wouldn't need to carry the fuel with you, for example with a space elevator. However, just what advantages would a space elevator offer over a tower launch? (I've used parts of this post before, but I have since refined my ideas). I contacted a man responsible for a similar idea a while back, the skyramp (warning: hideous javascript menu may break firefox), Carlton Meyer, and had a dialogue in which he pointed me to a tower launch archive.

    The ideas I see bandied about there are similar to what I had in mind, which would be essentially an 11km tall tower (think pylons rather than skyscrapers, based at sea), with evacuated airless launch tubes, using nuclear reactors to power a maglev or pulley system to accelerate vessels to escape velocity. These would then emerge above the end of the troposphere, with it's associated weather and air pressure, and have little to no fuel needed to match the earth's gravity, meaning you could do a lot more while you were up there. At a reasonable acceleration (5 to 7 g's) you would be in geostationary orbit. From there you could build a fully system wide ship or ships, as its much easier to escape the planet's gravity from GEO than from the surface.

    Not only would this enable multiple launches daily, it is, unlike the space elevator, readily achievable with today's technology, and financially viable as well. Given NASA had an annual budget of $16.2 billion for 2005, and a nuclear power plant costs a cool billion to build, give or take, we could have this up and running in a few years.

  2. Delivering Fuel by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I worked at Boeing, I was in charge of a fuel-depot study.
    The method we looked at was a BFG to launch the fuel into orbit.
    The big gun used hydrogen gas that is quickly heated in a heat
    exchanger, then pushes a 600 kg projectile to 2/3 of orbital
    speed. The projectile uses some onboard fuel to go the rest
    of the way to orbit, then delivers the remaining 100 kg of fuel
    to the orbital gas station. The projectile de-orbits and is
    recovered to be reused. The projectile is rugged enough that
    it can land on anything without damage.

    The big gun is very cheap ($100M) compared to electromagnetic
    launchers, because it is basically a length of pipe, compared
    to a series of coils, switches, and big power supplies. On the
    other hand, it is more expensive to operate.

    The velocity split between the gun and the projectile depends
    on the size of the projectile and how much traffic there is to
    orbit. For the case we were studying, delivering fuel to
    carry comsats to GEO, we were launching 100 kg a day, or 30 tons/yr
    (allowing for downtime).

    DRN

    1. Re:Delivering Fuel by rufty_tufty · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Attempt to use BFG to get into orbit - mostly successful, damn politics though.
      http://www.astronautix.com/articles/abroject.htm

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