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On Orbital Fuel Stations

dylanduck writes "Being able to fill up your spacecraft from a fuel depot in orbit round the Earth or Moon is key to the long-term prospects of astronauts exploring the solar system, according to NASA engineers. Trouble is NASA doesn't want to build it themselves. So there's $5 million for any enterprising groups who can develop a simple version themselves."

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  1. Hmmm by hyfe · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Erm, you still have to get the fuel up there right? .. and the cost of putting something up there is still reasonably proportional to weight?

    So sure, once you get liquid hydrogen from the moon / some other energy source it'd be usefull.. which pretty much means we need a moonbase first.

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    1. Re:Hmmm by Funkcikle · · Score: 5, Funny

      "$9 a gallon? Let's just orbit a bit longer till we find a cheaper one."

  2. Have we learnt nothing. by Kaptain_Korolev · · Score: 4, Funny

    Honestly, have we learnt nothing from Jerry Bruckheimer's excellent film Armageddon.

    Refuelling in orbit is dangerous!

    Next they'll be suggesting we man these orbital filling stations with drunken Russians. I only hope Ben and Bruce are there to sort things out when matters go awry.

  3. Zero Gee problems? by Cicero382 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Has anyone else noticed that zero G is a constant PITA for nearly all space applications?

    A short list includes:

    Human health (bones, muscles, fluid accumulation etc)
    Environment (air flow, hygeine)
    Fluids in general (measuring, pumping)
    Going to the toilet (or john)

    And lots of others.

    I have a question: Why aren't we putting some effort into artificial gravity? I mean centrifuge effects - not Star Trek. After all, we're expending all this effort into individual engineering solutions for each problem. If we had AG of some sort, wouldn't that remove the need for that?

    Just my 2 pennies worth.

  4. Delivering Fuel by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I worked at Boeing, I was in charge of a fuel-depot study.
    The method we looked at was a BFG to launch the fuel into orbit.
    The big gun used hydrogen gas that is quickly heated in a heat
    exchanger, then pushes a 600 kg projectile to 2/3 of orbital
    speed. The projectile uses some onboard fuel to go the rest
    of the way to orbit, then delivers the remaining 100 kg of fuel
    to the orbital gas station. The projectile de-orbits and is
    recovered to be reused. The projectile is rugged enough that
    it can land on anything without damage.

    The big gun is very cheap ($100M) compared to electromagnetic
    launchers, because it is basically a length of pipe, compared
    to a series of coils, switches, and big power supplies. On the
    other hand, it is more expensive to operate.

    The velocity split between the gun and the projectile depends
    on the size of the projectile and how much traffic there is to
    orbit. For the case we were studying, delivering fuel to
    carry comsats to GEO, we were launching 100 kg a day, or 30 tons/yr
    (allowing for downtime).

    DRN

    1. Re:Delivering Fuel by rufty_tufty · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Attempt to use BFG to get into orbit - mostly successful, damn politics though.
      http://www.astronautix.com/articles/abroject.htm

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