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EU May Push for Competitive Spectrum Trading

anaesthetica writes "The Financial Times is reporting that Viviane Reding, the EU media commissioner, wants to spur a pan-European market through which companies could buy and sell cross-border access to the European spectrum regime, including frequencies used by TV, radio, mobile telephone and broadband services. Large European media companies are skeptical about the spectrum trading plan, saying both that there is no logic behind a pan-European telecom model, and that such a plan could interfere with satellite radio. Ms. Reding believes that the change would spur harmonization of the fragmented European telecom band allocation. This change is set to coincide with the 2012 switch from analog to digital TV broadcasting, when a significant portion of the spectrum will be freed up."

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  1. Standard static by w33t · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This sounds less like a change in the method of comepetition and more like the end result will be a standardization. I like the idea of standards.

    Here in the states, my father is always calling me and saying, "turn the tv to channel 3 quick!" and I'm like what station is channel 3? and he's like "it's channel 3!".

    He never seemed to have gotten the idea that different networks operate on different channels depending upon provider and locale.

    Of course, I know that channel 3 and 10 and 13 are for some reason very special numbers in the television scheme of things.

    I wonder, do you think that some day television channels will be replaced by URLs of some sort?

    It's going to be strange when the airwaves are free of broadcast television, and when one day in the garage you run across an old tv, hook it up, prop up the antennas and see that there really is nothing being broadcasted.

    I feel sorry already for the extraterrestrial's SETI programs - they only have a small window of less than a century to grab our raw carrier waves.
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    1. Re:Standard static by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I feel sorry already for the extraterrestrial's SETI programs - they only have a small window of less than a century to grab our raw carrier waves.

      I think it was Arthur C Clarke who suggested this as a reason for the failure of SETI. Nobody else is wasting energy by broadcasting either.

      I think overall the amount of leakage into space from earth will be greater in the future but it will be so heavily compressed and spread across the available spectrum that it may be confused with noise.

    2. Re:Standard static by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      hmm - do you know if SETI saves any recordings of the past signals they intercept?

      Of course not. They don't want aliens to invade our planet and destroy humanity for copyright infringement.

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  2. No-Brainer by toby34a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is just a pure no-brainer. Let's say that I live on the border of France and Belgium... if the two countries are on different frequencies, I'm going to be SOL on a lot of the services that are going to be brought around with the huge bandwith sale. In the US, the bandwith works because it's standardized across the nation (hence you can go coast-to-coast on your cell phone on the same fricking network). In the EU, this just makes sense to have this same model, because of the area involved. Having your cellphone work in England as well as Turkey should be a good boost for this plan.

    1. Re:No-Brainer by orzetto · · Score: 4, Informative
      In the US, the bandwith works because it's standardized across the nation (hence you can go coast-to-coast on your cell phone on the same fricking network).

      Have you ever been to the US with a mobile? There are multiple standards and a mobile that works in Chicago may not work in Austin, TX or Cincinnati, OH. At least that was my experience in 2004 and 2005 with a tri-band I bought in the EU, I am not sure of the technical details but I think the problem is that technologies (such as iDen, Digital AMPS, and IS-95) can differ across US states. In Europe it's pretty much all GSM/UMTS.

      Having your cellphone work in England as well as Turkey should be a good boost for this plan.

      They already do. My father's mobile worked fine in Turkey (both Instanbul and at a tourist resort on the south coast, probably not far from Antalya) already in 1997 when I did not have one myself yet. My Norwegian mobile has been tested to work fine in Italy, Ireland, England, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and pretty much everywhere I brought it, except parts of the US.

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  3. Auction of 3G licenses in UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Just finished the chapter "The Men Who Knew the Value of Nothing" in Tim Harford's book "The Undercover Economist", before logging on to /.

    The last online auction of 3G licenses fetched 22.5 billion Pounds against the expectations of 3 billion. The government never knows what the frequencies are worth to the telephone companies, so, let them fight it out in a transparent auction. Devide 22.5 billion pounds with UK's population. It was the biggest auction in history.

    1. Re:Auction of 3G licenses in UK by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ok, well then how do you propose dividing up the spectrum so that everyone's happy then? If the government doesn't do it, what organization should.

      here is what the current utilization looks like.

      And of course, dividing up the spectrum is more complicated than just giving everyone an appropriate sized piece of the pie. Some applications are more sensitive to their neighbors, or harmonics, or band-sharing or can't be moved for infrastrusture reasons. Would you shut down Arecibo to make your plan simpler? What about the Deep Space Network?

      RF bandwidth is an extremely limited resource. Market solutions make sure there is no shortage, but the price is .. the price.

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  4. Anyone for monopoly? by malsdavis · · Score: 4, Funny

    So basically, the companies with the current monopoly are condemning a plan to try and gradually remove their monopoly. How Odd.

    1. Re:Anyone for monopoly? by HermanAB · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not odd at all - they don't want to pay multiple times to maintain their monopolies - it is all an anti-monopolistic plot by money grubbing beaurocrats against the poor and sensitive spectrum monopolies - sniff...

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  5. What the heck? by rmm4pi8 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why do you think that spectrum isn't scarce? Remember that higher frequencies are capable of transmitting more information per channel, but at the cost of shorter range. So there's no need to regulate something like wi-fi, which is high frequency and short range, but even VHF spectrum is pretty crowded with military and public safety users, in addition to FM for radio and TV, and lower parts of the spectrum are extremely valuable due to the ability to transmit long distances and the broad channels needed to get acceptable data throughput. It's true that some of this will be freed up as more services go digital and better yet TCP/IP, but mesh networking is not good for low-latency applications, and there's no indication that this one-time savings will keep us ahead of the increasing demand for bandwidth in the medium-term. So bandwidth is certainly scarce now, and likely will be so for at least the next 50 years, which is plenty long enough to plan public policy around.

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  6. Spectrum Trading... by Zx-man · · Score: 2, Funny

    In eastern Europe, we still do trade Spectrums, although nowadays they aren't too competitive.

  7. Re:Ignorance and false markets by twem2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Firstly:
    The RF Spectrum is land, it is a fixed quantity.

    Secondly:
    Being land, scarcity comes into play, There's only a limited number of frequencies suitable for ionospheric propogation for example, and these frequencies change with time of day, season, sunspot number and many other factors (which aren't fully understood) so for reliable communications a range of frequencies is needed (and now with Automatic Link Establishment communications over HF is much more reliable).
    Similarly, there's a limit on the frequencies which don't get absorbed by normal atmospheric conditions, a limit on the range of frequencies for reliable short range communications.
    And the demmand for frequencies is very high. The RF spectrum is packed with users, be they domestic, broadcast, commercial, military, emergency services, scientific or PMR.

    Thirdly:
    Markets fail when scarcity is involved. They cease to be efficient, the very definition of failure, so your statement that you cannot have a market until there is scarcity is just plain wrong.

    I'd favour a transparent auction of parts of the spectrum for commercial users, with a Land Value Tax on spectrum use.

  8. Re:Ignorance and false markets by jagspecx · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm not qualified to comment on your first two points, but your third is just plain wrong. From Wikipedia:
    Scarcity means not having sufficient resources to produce enough to fulfill unlimited subjective wants. Alternatively, scarcity implies that not all of society's goals can be attained at the same time, so that we must trade off one good against others.
    If trading some goods for others isn't a market, I don't know what is...