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Planets Without Stars or Mini-Solar Systems?

iamlucky13 writes "An article today on space.com discusses the discovery of 6 objects by the European Southern Observatory in Chile that are smaller than typical brown dwarfs, larger than Jupiter, and not orbiting any stars. The objects are surrounded by disks of gas and dust possibly similar to the early solar system. In addition to presenting astronomers with a new group of objects to study, the finding also deepens the debate over what makes a planet. The scientists responsible for the discovery sidestep the question by calling them 'Planetary Mass Objects,' or planemos."

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  1. Re:Dark Matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is an excellent question. The idea of objects like these comprising dark matter has been tested with the MACHO project ( http://wwwmacho.mcmaster.ca/ ) which attempts to detect objects like this through gravitational lensing events. Unfortunately, the data from this experiment seem to suggest that they don't comprise enough mass to explain Milky Way observations.

  2. Re:Dark Matter by hogghogg · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's correct, though the MACHO experiment places its best limits on much more massive objects than Jupiters; for now it is conceivable that such objects could be a significant part of the dark matter. OTOH, there is no way (without huge modifications to what we know about the early universe) to make the majority of the dark matter anything (dust, rocks, planetesimals, planets, brown dwarfs, white dwarfs, neutron stars) that are made from atoms; we now know that the atomic component of the Universe must be only a few percent of the total. So though these could be part of the dark matter, they can't be all of it.

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    David W. Hogg -- assoc prof, NYU Physics
  3. Re:True 'planets' then by alexandrecc · · Score: 3, Informative
    For the ancient Greeks a planet was any object that appeared to wander against the field of fixed stars that made up the night sky (asteres planetai "wandering stars") (cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_planet )

    The problem with that definition is that the sun was initially included as a planet because it looked like moving around the stars.

    So when the initial definition of a word is based on false assumptions, it is probably hard to save the ass of that word with further discoveries 3000 years later. I vote to create another word and put the word planet to the the recycle bin. It should be more elegant to put the planet to the recycle bin than to the dump.

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  4. Re:Dark Matter by hogghogg · · Score: 4, Informative

    If these things made up the "dark matter" then it wouldn't be dark -- these objects (it might not be clear from the article) were found because they emit strongly in the infrared. In short, they can't make up the majority of the dark matter, either observationally or theoretically. Good idea, though.

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    David W. Hogg -- assoc prof, NYU Physics
  5. The Planemo Effect by Nerd_52637 · · Score: 2, Informative

    A planemo, short for Planetary Mass Object, is a celestial object which is solitary and orbited by matter as if it were a star, but is actually a planet. Studies have shown that humans cannot differentiate between real active stars and these inert planets, wishing on both equally. Researchers call this the "Planemo Effect"