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Flying Faster Without ID

jjh37997 writes "A Homeland Security's privacy advisory committee member finds that flying without a photo ID is actually faster than traveling with proper identification. According to Wired the committee member, Jim Harper, accepted a bet from civil liberties rabble-rouser John Gilmore to test whether he could actually fly without showing identification. He found that traveling without ID allowed him to bypass the long security lines at San Francisco's International Airport, and get in faster than if he had provided his driver's license."

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  1. not that shocking... by joe+155 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...I know people like to think that it's now so much more secure; but if you don't "look like a terrorist" (which usually means of middle eastern origin) you can get through pretty quick. I went from England to holland and never had to show anything but the colour of my passport (which is bugandy - the English colour) and the fact that I am white and middle class. That was all they cared about. I know a lot of people won't like that the world sometimes works like this (I don't), and I'm expecting people won't want to hear it either...

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    1. Re:not that shocking... by joe+155 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      well you say we are at war... but I remember the war ending

      Besides, you seem to have little understanding about the nature of terrorism. In my country (the UK) we've had quite a bit of terrorism over the last thousand years... only one round of deadly attacks have been carried out by non-whites. Thousands of people have been killed by white people in the PIRA (who have also tried to kill the prime minister - and were nearly successful) as well as killing from the UDA/UVF/Real IRA/old IRA. Not to mention that but Guy Fawkes was white - he tried to kill all the members of the House of Lords and the king...

      Are you seeing a pattern here.
      One attack by non-whites does not mean that they are all terrorists. The evidence says that you should, if anything, be stopping white people.

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    2. Re:not that shocking... by rafimg · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I agree that we should be frisking an 80 year old grandma just the same as a Middle Eastern man of 18-34 years of age who is in good physical condition (the characteristics shared by over 95% of terrorists).

      Yeah, and over 78.2% of statistics are made up. Al Queda and its ilk may be all the rage when talking about terrorism, but I assure you there are plenty of non-Islamic terrorists around who would love to do harm to the United States. Timothy McVeigh wasn't Middle Eastern, and there are plenty of extremist groups in the US that are made up entirely of whites. Looking internationally, we have FARC and other guerilla groups in South America, ETA in the Basque region of Spain, the “Real” IRA in Northern Ireland, and the list goes on. Recently there has been an uptick in female suicide bombers, so the male part of your profile doesn't really hold up either. I suppose the age range is still fairly accurate, but I wouldn't want to guarantee that it will stay that way.

      The point is, racial profiling would at least have a strong argument if it were actually effective. Unfortunately, all it really means is that the next terrorist to strike won't fit the profile. It's not like it takes long for a terrorist group to figure out what security agents are looking for and change strategies accordingly.

    3. Re:not that shocking... by fuckface · · Score: 4, Insightful

      well you say we are at war... but I remember the war ending

      That's funny, I don't recall hearing a declaration of war or a ratification of such by congress since 1944.

      Pay attention people! We are not "at war". We are merely "warring"!

  2. Re:Lucky Him by Hentai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, white, "normal looking", and with signs of reasonable affluence.

    As with all things, it helps to look sharp - whenever you find yourself in a potentially dodgy situation, stop and ask yourself, "how expensive of a lawyer do I look like I can afford?"

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  3. If you're travelling with kids, then yes. by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're travelling with kids, then yes.

  4. Re:The real problem is getting your boarding pass by mozumder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of the airlines these days lets you print a boarding pass at home up to a day in advance when using an e-ticket. Don't need ID for that.

  5. Re:Lucky Him by poincaraux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having a reporter watching the whole thing probably didn't hurt.

  6. He had a reporter with him by Astro+Dr+Dave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There was a reporter watching and taking notes as he was searched by the TSA. I wonder how he would have fared if he were alone?

  7. Re:Lucky Him by Corbets · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I fail to see how the grandparent, which simply said "Good thing he's white" can be modded +5 insightful while this AC post, which actually provides a little bit of information (an anecdote, at least) can be modded 0. Looks to me like Slash has a little racism going on (or reverse racism, if you like - it's all the same shit to me).

    If you read this, have mod points, and agree, please mod the parent up a bit instead of me. ;-)

  8. Perception of Reality by skwang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This proove the old adage that the world is not driven by reality but by the perception of reality.

    I would argue that no one in their right minds would try to highjack an airplane again. In the past highjacking was a political statement. Usually the highjackers would fly the plane to a neutral airport and make demands. Often this would include the release of fellow members of their organization who were incarcerated. If you were an unlucky passenger, you would be an unfortuante pawn in a global chess-game. (Obviously there were exceptions.)

    After the terrorist attacks on 11 Sept. 2001, no passenger will sit still and let a highjacker take over an airplane. Highjacking is now synonomous with suicide attacks. In my opinion, the real danger to airline travel comes not from highjackers but from explosives being placed on the airplane, e.g. Pan Am flight 103.

    But the perception in the US is that flying needs to be protected, so the result is the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). Others have pointed out that if you are not white, have any kind of middle eastern origins, and you try to fly without an ID, you're pretty much screwed. And because the TSA has near absolute authority about whether or not you fly, they can deny you boarding simply because they feel like it.

    The result of all this is that flying, IMO, is not significantly safer than before. We are concentrating our resources on "fighting the last battle." Making sure passengers have proper Identification doesn't make flying any safer. One could point out that some of the highjackers on 11 Sept. 2001 had valid IDs, after all they entered the country legally. As a society we should concentrate our efforts on preventing bombings or other bomb like devices. The "shoe bomber" Richard Reid in late 2001 probably represents a greater threat, yet checking to make sure he has proper identification isn't going to help.

    I would argue that the checks they do at airports to check for explosives are worthwhile. But making sure you have an ID with you are not.

  9. The article doesn't prove much... by MrCode · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So what: a well-dressed polite white man gets through a shorter (yet more thorough) security line because of a lack of ID. First, the airlines have to account for people not having IDs. Wallets get stolen, IDs are lost or forgotten, in other words, shit happens. Second, this lack of ID is a rare occurence so of course the line will be shorter, and even if the actual screening takes 3-4 times as long than the "normal" screening you will get through faster.

    Incidentally, a little politeness can go a long way when dealing with government workers, especially in places like an airport or the DMV. Just think: these people deal with complaining a**holes all day for crappy pay, you might actually make their day a little brighter by being polite, or, God forbid, almost friendly. The time for civil disobedience in not after waiting 2 hours in the DMV line.

  10. Re:Lucky Him by tm2b · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, of course. It's very simple, most people are misunderstanding the purpose of airline security.

    The purpose is not to stop terrorists. It's abundantly clear that the measures that have been taken are ineffective at doing so. The purpose of airline security is assure middle America that Something Is Being Done .

    Towards that end, it's much more important that people who look "Middle American" appear to be given much more scrutiny, because they're the ones footing the bill - they have to be the ones to get the warm fuzzies and thereby get assurance that it's safe to fly.

    If you want some idea of how completely absurd the whole thing is, try being a pilot (or just pretending to be one) at a smaller airfield (yes, that still services larger jets) and see how easy it is to access airplanes without a single challenge from anybody. At most, you'll be asked for the tail number of your aircraft - which you can read from the big freakin' characters on the side of every airplane.

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  11. Re:Lucky Him by Darth+Cow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You make an interesting point, but it's wrong. Profiling based on race in fact is detrimental to security, because security officials concentrate on skin color as opposed to the behavior that actually indicates likilihood of being a terrorist -- nerviousness, shifting eyes, standing around in a corner, I don't know -- stuff like that. (My source is a professor on an NPR program I heard last August. I recall when I was listening to it, too, so if you really care I could probably track down who it was.)

    How many terrorist attacks on airplanes have we had since September 11? What, the shoe bomber? That's a sample size of 1. And all the time we hear about the increasing threat of "home grown terrorists." Slashdot readers should know not to extrapolate from small data sets.

  12. Re:Lucky Him by radish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but the fact is that most of the terrorists are Arabs

    Crap. Most of the terrorists I've had to worry about during my life have been Irish Catholics. Many of the terrorist attacks on US soil have been at the hands of white Christians. Racial profiling is bad because it doesn't work more than for any other reason.

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