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Implants for Sensing Magnetic Fields

Okian Warrior writes "Wired is running a story about people who have magnets implanted in their fingertips. As a result they can sense ambient magnetic fields, including whether AC wires are carrying current. From the article: 'The fingertip was chosen because of the high nerve density, and because the hands are constantly interacting with the environment, increasing the chances of sensing electromagnetism in the world.'"

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  1. Goodbye Finger by Suddenly_Dead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, what happens when you get too close to another rare earth magnet? I would expect bad things.

    1. Re:Goodbye Finger by sidfaiwu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That will be a problem with almost any added sense. It can be overloaded and cause damage. Take the some of the senses we have. Too bright of light will make us blind, too loud of a noise will make us deaf, too strong of an electrical field will rip out your implants. Often, you have to take the risk with the reward. The question is wether the reward is worth the risk.

    2. Re:Goodbye Finger by diskis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yup. My local hospital's MRI scanner has this big red button on it. With a very big sign saying something like: Shuts down the magnetic field. For extreme emergencies only. Press only if you get stuck to the machine.

      (The last part was added with a pen by some technician)

      My ex-girlfriend had her head examined there, so I talked to a tech while she was in the scanner. He told me that it just takes ages to power it up again. And gave me a complimentary copy of a MRI image of my ex-girlfriends brain.

    3. Re:Goodbye Finger by David+Horn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The superpowerful electromagnets used in medical imaging can make metal fly across a room and stick, often for the hours it takes to power down the magnets.

      I was under the impression that an MRI machine can be shut down more or less instantly, and a series of emergency stop buttons are placed around it for precisely this reason. IIRC, an emergency shutdown runs the risk of damage to the machine, as all the coolant boils off, which is why medical staff presumably leave it energised and try to pry off items stuck to it rather than shutting the thing down.

      Please correct me if I'm wrong. :)

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    4. Re:Goodbye Finger by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are so many problems with this idea it's hard to know where to start. Just think about those magnets in hard drives... I let two of them come together from about 1/4" away from each other, they pinched the skin on my finger, took a piece of it with them, and chipped themselves. If you get one of those stuck to your finger, expect severe injury. First of all, the polarity of a magnet that strong will be enough to make that little grain of magnet rotate in your finger immediately, that's going to feel interesting. Then, if you get them close enough to be, well, close, you're not getting that magnet away from your finger without ripping a hole in it and extracting the magnet.

      Let's not even talk about MRIs, starter motors, or degaussing coils in monitors.

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    5. Re:Goodbye Finger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I've got a chunk of titanium in my head. Placed there as a part of a surgery.

      So it's not always that you've got a choice, really. MRI fields are intense, they make even relatively 'normal' stuff behave oddly.

      The only place in my life I've ever seen a plastic fire extinguisher was in an MRI room. Along with the nonmagnetic needles, plastic button/tie gowns, etc, etc.

      They really don't like metal near those things!

  2. Ouch by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't forget to tell the doctor before you go in for that MRI.

    -Grey

  3. Why implants? by JanusFury · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why implant a magnet? I can only imagine what kind of hassle that would be if you ever needed an MRI. Couldn't a ring or some sort of fingertip cap be created that transmitted signals through the skin to nerve endings, so you could take it off as needed? I imagine it might be less effective due to the skin barrier, but it seems like it would be a much safer alternative that would work nearly as well.

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  4. Might be somewhat limiting in other ways... by Gavin+Scott · · Score: 1, Interesting

    You wonder if this will be on the pre-MRI questionaire soon. I guess as soon as a patient's hand flys through the window and smacks the operator in the face.

    You might erase your credit cards everytime you hand one to someone.

    And you'll never get rid of those damn iron filings.

    G.

  5. Well by ShooterNeo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A far better approach, albeit more complex, would be to build a microchip - powered by induction like RFID circuitry - that could generate signals in the right voltage and frequency range to stimulate nerves. A surgeon would carefully place the chip along a nerve inside your hand somewhere, placing the electrode side parallel to the nerve. The chip would have signal processing abilities and could be used to :

    1. detect the signal pattern for pain and cancel it out
    2. interact with novel gadgets like a magnetic or radio field sensor, or a geiger counter
    3. Pick up signals from one part of the body, and transmit them to another chip located in a damaged limb somewhere that the nerves have been cut from

    All of this is basic signal processing, simpler than the state of the art in radio by a considerable margin (nerve signals are MUCH, MUCH slower)

    I don't understand why this sort of thing isn't routinely done. I know there are implantable nerve stimulators to stop phantom limb pain, I know that surgeons don't need FDA approval to perform trials on gadets like this - they just need a researcher to create a prototype that is appropriately coated with bioneutral materials and sterile, and the surgeon can implant it into any consenting adult. Surgery is not a medical procedure that has to be specifically approved : this is how the variants of the gastic bypass were developed, such as the bands around the stomach approach. A particular surgeon decided to try it, and others adopted it.

    Should be a whole thriving industry by now.

  6. I think I'd prefer something external... by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It sounds like it'd be a usefull tool for electricians or audio engineers, but it'd be far more practical if it were an external device that you could take off. I don't know many people that want to permanently place something in their body that could easily lead to damage to your finger. How would a thin stick-on magnet that you could attach to a finger work?

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    1. Re:I think I'd prefer something external... by Ken_g6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe you could glue magnets to the inside of some surgical gloves. Be sure to let the glue dry before wearing them!!!!

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  7. Interesting uses... by bill_kress · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your brain seems to be able to adapt senses to what it knows is going on--for instance, if you wear glasses that invert your vision for a couple weeks, your brain will compensate and you will start seeing things "upright" again. If you take off the glasses, you will then see everything upside-down for a while.

    So what other kind of input could this give you. If you implanted one in each hand of a def person, might he eventually be able to hear if he put his fingers near to a speaker magnet? If I were def, I'd totally give that a try--you never know! I wonder if such an implant could be placed inside the ear, maybe returning the ability to hear completely (as long as the sound was broadcast via magnetism like if the user was wearing headphones.

    How about an extra input from your computer. Placing tiny electro-magnets under some of your keys could allow the keyboard to give you a little buzz that nobody else could perceive.

    Any others?

  8. Why implant the device? by David_Shultz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    why are they implanting it?

    It works by stimulating via vibration "somatosensory apparatus" (ie touch), which to the best of my knowledge IS available on the outside of the finger -it should work by being strapped to the outside. Albeit it is not as cool and cyberpunk sounding, but it does remove EVERY SINGLE NEGATIVE POINT associated with the device (painful surgery, risk or rejection, no more MRIs, etc)

  9. Re:In case this sounds like a good idea... by Municipa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why? I bet this could be reproduced with something you wear on your finger tip. Until an external device is researched a bit more I see no compelling reason to ever get an implant like this. It could be something like a paper thin sleeve that goes around your finger. The key thing being you can take it off if you ever plan to be in a powerful EMF, which doesn't seem too uncommon for someone who wants to feel EMF.

  10. Humans have them as well by MCTFB · · Score: 2, Interesting

    in the forms of very trace amounts of magnetite in brain tissue. Whether or not this magnetite is actually used at all in human beings or not, there is no clear concensus on, however, at the moment it is believed that this magnetite has no effect on human beings and if this magnetite was ever used for sensing magnetic fields, it was in an ancestor of the human species going back many millions of years.

    I believe the original source for my knowledge of this was some television program, but to save you some Googling, here is one of the first hits that came up.

    1. Re:Humans have them as well by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      in the forms of very trace amounts of magnetite in brain tissue.

      Two questions:

      1. If I put a supermagnet right next to my head, am I piersing microscopic holes through my brain? There should be some effect even with trace amounts, I suppose, even if not that drastic.

      2. Where did this magnetite come from? I think my mother's diet didn't include magnetite, nor did mine. I suppose the organism will have to metabolise in a truly peculiar way to start with organic proteins and end with magnetite as well :D

  11. Reminds me of a idea I had a long time ago by biafra · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would primarily be used to outdoor survivalists/military (I'd think), but I thought of a small compass implanted in the back of a persons neck. Something very very subtle so that a person could just slightly percieve the direction of magnetic north. Personally I can't wait till there are a bunch of usefull body modifications, I never understood jabbing steel into your arm (or worse) but I'd totally get a implant that performed a usefull task.

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  12. Re:A few days old - still interesting by marcelmouse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why does it have to be an implant?

    Couldn't you just mount the magnet in a little setting, and have it put in like a stud? Or as a barbell, in that whats-it-called, the webbing between thumb and index finger? I'd love to have this done (useful not only at work, but also in my off-time as a wierdo electronic musician), but I am dubious about amateur surgeons, not to mention crappy housings for things I'm going to put in my body. It is useful, but by no means necessary, to have it mounted in the fingertips.

    For that matter, couldn't you get similar results by manufacturing a, um, neodynium thimble? Or neodynium fingerpicks?

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  13. Re:Wait by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was under the impression that this ability was not too uncommon in humans. I haven't tried for a while, but I used to be able to tell if my father's telephone was turned on by touching the back. I sometimes think someone is trying to call me and take my 'phone out, then have it start ringing a second later, and I've known several of my friends do the same (this seems to only work with GSM 'phones, although that may just be that we are familiar with the characteristic sequence of EM pulses that precede a GSM 'phone ringing).

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